MinRest

Yep it sounds like it doesn't take long to hold HOU.

If NJA really falls behind in recognizing the current climate and the rest of the majors get contracts (which is happening quite literally as we speak) then you will really start seeing an exodus...

av8trinabarrel

BM lives in Phx. Heard he didn’t take the job. As miserable as he is at NJ can’t believe he finally had the opportunity to leave and passed. Hope he finds peace in his decision.

tm602

I was surprised. He said it wasn’t the decision he wanted to make but that it was best for his family. Its too bad, he’s such a likable guy and I’m sure he’d have been a good fit. NJA should be thankful to have him. But he did what a respectable man does and that’s do what is good for the family. I wish him the best.

TaewoongShin

Thank you for your help. I am considering moving to the United States (I have no green card problems) and I want to start from a hub airport like Dallas. In this case, is it possible to start by offsetting the disadvantages of the airline? I am also curious if it is common to move to New York or LA and start flying after not flying from Dallas.

jtf560

Your English is correct, but it is difficult to understand what you are really asking here. Are you asking about if a NetJets pilot can change bases easily or are you asking about airline pilots changing bases? NetJets pilots can be based in over 200 locations in the US and they can choose to change the location as often as they like as long as they give 7 days notice to the company before the start of the work tour that will be from a new location. The airlines have some opportunities to bid a new base, but they are controlled by seniority. NY and LA are usually junior bases due to the cost of living in those locations, but airline pilots can commute to those bases by jumpseatimg or driving. I'm not sure if this helps to answer what you want to know or not.

symbian simian

Just Curious..

I was CS from '05-'13. NJ was the better gig, contract wise, but we were treated pretty well. I was7/7, most tours were 25hr block, most days 2-3 legs max, normally wore the suit 8 hours/day. Only year I broke 500 hrs was when I was available for OT 4 days before every trip. Only time I wanted to call fatigued was when I was home taking care of things...... Are they really working you that much harder, and how did the contract not stop that?

jtf560

For the most part, NetJets scheduling seems to have a 12 hour a day duty time goal whether you are flying all day or not. They claim they need you on duty in case they need to throw something else on your plate. The scheduling is usually very inefficient. This gets very frustrating for most. The scheduling also often gives lovely body clock flip flops to deal with. The circadian changes and long sits between flights can be quite fatiguing. The flight time is somewhere between 3 and 4 hours per duty day on average, with some fleets flying on the higher side (350 and Lattitude) and some on the lower (XLS and Sovereign). The long duty days and circadian changes are fatiguing. The contract just pays us more if the day is longer and more flight pay if you fly more. You can call in fatigued any time.

HeavyD

We keep sending the same people to the negotiating table. The negotiators keep negotiating financial penalties for NetJets in lieu of hard QOL improvements. To which the company is more than happy to pay due to the minimal expense extracted on NetJets. The paycheck statement we get every two weeks has 84 hours on it for on average 7 days of duty..

Union leadership made a huge mistake in December with an LOA they agreed to with the company. It virtually eroded what little leverage we had to achieve a new contract. Now we are struggling to achieve parity in compensation with the LCC's and some regionals. Trying to even get close to AA, DL, and UA isn't realistically on anyone's radar. Though union leadership will never publicly admit it.

The union's mantra now is " Death by a Thousand Cuts". We have too many money hoars for this strategy too work. Including some committee members and E-board members.

MinRest

I have never seen a union talk out of both sides of its mouth more than NJASAP right now. It is pretty crazy...

symbian simian

yeah, no incentive to send you to the hotel early doesn’t sound good. I remember before we had defined duty. You would always get hotel info before your last leg, and at the end of it, they would give the information for the first leg next day. Never any sitting. But you could get called back out again later in the day, or if that didn’t happen, earlier the next day. As long as you would have 10 hours rest looking back, you were legal. So obviously some/most didn’t like that, and were happy when we were required to be released from duty and assigned rest at the end of the day. “Now they can’t call us back to the airport anymore” turned into “why aren’t they letting me go to the hotel” really fast. We would spend 14 in uniform at the FBO. Union drive started shortly afterwards. Company backpedaled pretty fast, and some sanity was restored, but days did get longer. They would give you a 5am show for a 9am live leg “in case the owners would show up early”. I would go over to the FBO at 5 (leave the FO in the hotel) file, take the covers off, check the paperwork, call CS and say: hey, all ready to go, any changes, no? Going to grab some breakfast, and grab a crew car and go back to the hotel for a few more hours. Or just call the FBO and ask if they had the paperwork, and call CS to tell them paperwork was at the FBO. Airport appreciation never my thing. Amazing how they will ruin a pretty good gig with that BS.