upsiddwn

What is the current estimate for upgrades at Net Jets these days?

NorthTxFlyBoy

Very hard to say. I don't see how it could be any less than 3.5 - 4 yrs. Since NJA history keeps the PIC/SIC ratio right at 2:1, it depends on the rate of guys retiring ahead of you, which has been low, (Remember, no mandatory retirement ages w/part 91/135), the rate of folks being hired behind you and the number of cockpits added (pretty big increases coming). I was hired in July '06 and my best estimate is a total of 3 yrs for me to get captain in anything. That's just assuming the same attrition rate of those senior to me and the predicted hiring numbers rumored. The time frame increases slightly with every new class.

-NTFB

upsiddwn

Thanks for the update on upgrades..... What are the chances this new TA will be approved by the pilots in your opinion? Does the vote end Nov. 20th? Just trying to figure out when we might know what the results are....

correcting

I got an email from my union peer rep saying they expected the vote count to be announced by Dec 1. I keep seeing the Nov 20 date too. That may be about when the ballots will be due. As far as the chance of this passing, I think it will. By how much, I have my opinion, but I won't post it here so as not to create any discussions that get the thread off track. I will say that what was negotiated correlates pretty well with what the results of the pilot survey said, which is one reason I think this will pass.

NorthTxFlyBoy

I haven't been around long enough to even start to predict that one. Looks pretty evenly divided among those who post on the union message board, but that's only a fraction of the total pilot group. You can bet that most of the 600 or so post-contract FO's will be voting yes, but there are around 2700 pilots on the seniority list. I think the union leadership's upcoming roadshow regarding the new TA will sway a good many fence-sitters and some "No"s to the "Yes" side. I don't think the union leaders would have presented the agreement if they didn't think they could get at least 80% to vote for it. Fifty-one percent could get the TA passed, but it would be very devisive for the pilot group.

That date sounds correct. Seems like they said the vote would be counted on the 20th, and if passed, the new agreement would take effect 21 Nov.

So Wonwee

This is from the summary pages:
c. Implementation Timeline
Should the Proposal be rejected, the 2005 CBA will continue in full force and
effect according to Section 30 of the agreement and all associated side Letters of
Agreement. Should the Proposal be ratified, most Sections, including Wages, will
be effective immediately. Other Sections will take up to six months to implement.
The implementation process and timeline have been detailed in a side Letter of
Agreement, but the highlights of implementation are as follows:
�� Most Sections, including Wages (Section 27), will be effective immediately
o 7&7 Pay will equal 7&7 Pay
o 18-Day Flex pay will equal Fixed 18-Day Pay
o 15-Day Flex pay will be available concurrently with the first 15-
Day Flex schedule award on February 1, 2008
�� Basing will be effective December 1, 2007 for those pilots that have
completed the applicable forms
o Crew Base Designation Forms will be available by November
1, 2007
�� The Personal Time Off (“PTO”) system will be in place by June 1, 2008
�� Vacations will go through a bid transition process and new provisions will
be in full force on October 1, 2009
o A transition vacation bid period of 1.5 years will take place
beginning July 1, 2008 and ending on September 30, 2009
o The current vacation period will be unaffected
�� Section 19 Scheduling will go into effect February 1, 2008
o 7&7 Sunday Starts will be reduced to less than or equal to
15% by June 1, 2008
o First Open Bid Period will be June 1, 2008
o Subsequent Bid Period will carry through September 30, 2009
�� Current 7&7 and 18-Day schedules will continue in the short term
o Current 7&7 Schedules will continue
o 7&7 Schedule Reset will take place by June 1, 2008
o 15-Day Fixed will be in effect by February 1, 2008
o 18-Day Fixed will be in effect by February 1, 2008
o The revised Guaranteed Extended Day Program will go into
effect by February 1, 2008
�� Section 28 Hours of Service will be effective December 1, 2008
�� Changes to PSIC, Instructor, Check Airman, and NRFO qualifications and
“stacking” rules will go into effect by June 1, 2008
�� Changes to the Company Credit Card Program will be complete by June 1,
2008 including
o No limit on point accumulation beginning January 1, 2008
o All pilots must apply for the company credit card no later than
April 1, 2008

GeeWizDriver

How's about posting the Scope section for those of us without access to crewops or the union board?

NorthTxFlyBoy

GeeWiz,
There's not a section on scope, per se. Tried to PM you the section on duration, which has the only provisions that seem to be written with an NJA/NJI merger in mind, but it looks like you don't have enough posts to receive a PM yet. I don't really think I should post it on an open forum. Just post a couple more times and I'll send it to you.

-NTFB

Pugnacious G

The actual scope section appears unchanged from the '05 CBA. The 85% Int'l flying clause does not take effect until 2013.

My impression is that the union and management will negotiate an NJA/NJI merger long before the 85% rule forces it and probably before the single-carrier petition goes to the NMB in the fall of 2008. Keeping the merger low key and not associated with any labor dispute in the eyes of the media appear to be the current goal. The virtual seniority list of the merged company is under review as we speak and should be finalized by the end of the month.

Are you an NJI guy?

flygirl135

Any ex-ASA types over there that might help a girl out? This place sounds better, and better, all the time!!