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Old 04-13-2008, 02:03 AM   #21  
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Hey Jetjock

Has your company received a letter from the FAA? If so... what support, if any, are your D/O and C/P providing you with?
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Old 04-13-2008, 05:05 AM   #22  
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:42 AM   #23  
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I had the same thing happen while flying a Falcon in 2004 which resulted in a loss of separation. The FAA issued a letter of warning which was erased from my PRIA records two years later. From your previous post, it sounds like there was no loss of separation with your incident, so I canít imagine that they would even give you a letter in your file. There were some extenuating circumstances that contributed to my situation, one being that controller error was deemed a factor by the FAA. Even with that being said, I donít think your incident was even close to what warrants enforcement action. Trust me, your predicament is not as bad as it may seem. Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:01 PM   #24  
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If you don't have union help AOPA has legal help and a panel of attorneys,,

Originally Posted by Jetjock13 View Post
Any and all thoughts would be most welcome.
Had a situation a few months ago where the combination of a very excited passenger, (pvt. pilot) and a faulty altitude capture mode caused us to deviate altitude +300 feet at FL350. We caught the problem but rather than push the nose over and put the passenger into the ceiling, we had him return to his seat and decended to FL350. We were high for about 30 secs. Denver center has us call them to explain. There was no loss of seperation. Now the Denver FSDO is taking a look at this and I am worried this might become A "ding" on my record. Anyone with a similar experience?
Any advice would be great.

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Old 04-14-2008, 07:23 AM   #25  
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I agree with Socal Swede. I did get a lawyer and he did the talking to the appropriate people and I got a Warning Letter as it was my first offense with the FAA. It's a Warning Letter. I, too, filed a NASA report at the beginning to cover my backside. Hope this helps.
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:43 PM   #26  
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Originally Posted by Jetjock13 View Post
I filed one as soon as I landed. Got the recipt in the mail a few weeks ago. I know it offers some protection, but for the life of me I can't understand why the Denver FSDO has such a hard on for this. I heard a SWA crew "bust" an altitude but the center didn't have them make a call.
I've seen multiple deviations of all kinds and a few factors seem to play into whether you hear something or not: just one of those excitable/angry controllers; you scared him/her; you didn't seem to recognize/react to the problem. If they think you'll repeat offend or you don't understand the importance, they're more likely to take it further. Oh, and if his/her supervisor is standing over the shoulder.

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Old 04-14-2008, 07:42 PM   #27  
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PM me I will give you info and contacts . Had this happen to me, also have a small company that works with attorneys. Most important don't talk or write to FAA. Also don't let ANYONE know you have NASA form yet.


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Old 04-15-2008, 04:23 AM   #28  
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jetjock13, best of luck dear friend. I hope you get one of those letters that read:

" we are going to let it go, but DON"T do it again".
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:59 AM   #29  
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"If you really had a "faulty" Alt Cap and wrote it up then you are off the hook before you ever got on. You still may be able to use the issue to slide right off the hook nice and easy like even if wasn't written up and you can explain how it was still an automation glitch you had to recover from."

Case in point for contacting a lawyer or union rep......get correct info.
Doesn't matter if you wrote it up or not, automation glitch or not, etc.
You take it in the air, you are responsible for flying by the rules.
If it doesn't capture, kick off the autopilot and make it capture the alt. Same for Navigation errors......it it doesn't fly the correct route, make it fly the correct route. Either that or make the mech. fix it first.
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Old 04-15-2008, 06:05 AM   #30  
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my last post was in response to DigDug's comment, not to the original post.......JetJok, hope it all works out for you!
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