The FAA is after me!
01-08-2009, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GlasssPilot
Dude, you're wrong. Check your "tude" and realize you don't know everything.
Pilot stated altitudes DO trump altitude encoders.
ATC does ask pilots to report through altitudes even when they have the altitude encoder. Mostly when there is close crossing traffic they need to maintain separation. The pilot reported altitude serves two purposes; First if the pilot reports through the altitude then there is no conflict even if the xponder is lagging a bit (and they do). Second it serves as a reminder to the controller working the conflict.
Don't come off the top rope on me. Especially when you clearly don't know the difference between pig sh!t and apple butter.
Pilot stated altitudes DO trump altitude encoders.
ATC does ask pilots to report through altitudes even when they have the altitude encoder. Mostly when there is close crossing traffic they need to maintain separation. The pilot reported altitude serves two purposes; First if the pilot reports through the altitude then there is no conflict even if the xponder is lagging a bit (and they do). Second it serves as a reminder to the controller working the conflict.
Don't come off the top rope on me. Especially when you clearly don't know the difference between pig sh!t and apple butter.
I emailed both of your "facts" to my buddy who's an ATL center controller and even though he’s been there for over 15 years he is as confused as I am on what you're trying to say...
My whole point is that when they investigate a possible loss of separation they go after the transponder readouts and not what the pilot stated his/her altitude was... Yet based on what you're saying it sounds like what the pilot stated supersedes what the transponder said?
I wish what you’re saying was true but IF that was the case, several of my friends who got violated at my previous airline wouldn’t have been because they were at the correct altitudes according to them yet their transponders didn’t support their story – the feds chose transponder readouts over their recollections…
That’s all I was trying to say but somehow I caused you to have a temper tantrum…
01-08-2009, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjock13
Any and all thoughts would be most welcome.
Had a situation a few months ago where the combination of a very excited passenger, (pvt. pilot) and a faulty altitude capture mode caused us to deviate altitude +300 feet at FL350. We caught the problem but rather than push the nose over and put the passenger into the ceiling, we had him return to his seat and decended to FL350. We were high for about 30 secs. Denver center has us call them to explain. There was no loss of seperation. Now the Denver FSDO is taking a look at this and I am worried this might become A "ding" on my record. Anyone with a similar experience?
Any advice would be great.
Cheers.
Had a situation a few months ago where the combination of a very excited passenger, (pvt. pilot) and a faulty altitude capture mode caused us to deviate altitude +300 feet at FL350. We caught the problem but rather than push the nose over and put the passenger into the ceiling, we had him return to his seat and decended to FL350. We were high for about 30 secs. Denver center has us call them to explain. There was no loss of seperation. Now the Denver FSDO is taking a look at this and I am worried this might become A "ding" on my record. Anyone with a similar experience?
Any advice would be great.
Cheers.
01-08-2009, 08:07 AM
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I was involved in a completely unrelated "incident" last year, so I can't really comment on your situation.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
01-08-2009, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
I was involved in a completely unrelated "incident" last year, so I can't really comment on your situation.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
I'd say contact John Ryan at OKC FSDO to get the correct answer (he's in charge of the PRIA program) and additionally conduct a background check on yourself to make sure what's there and what isn't...
01-08-2009, 12:30 PM
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I'm curious what role the excited passenger played? Since he was a private pilot am I correct in assuming that he was at the controls at the time?
NASA reports I thought were only good if you weren't intentionally committing an FAR violation. Letting a non-rated pilot at the controls of your jet could be grounds for dismissal of the ASRS report. Just a thought. Best of luck.
NASA reports I thought were only good if you weren't intentionally committing an FAR violation. Letting a non-rated pilot at the controls of your jet could be grounds for dismissal of the ASRS report. Just a thought. Best of luck.
01-09-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
I was involved in a completely unrelated "incident" last year, so I can't really comment on your situation.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
However, I do have a question of my own to pose to the forum. In my case, I was involved in what the FAA classified as an incident. After they finished their investigation, they sent me a letter saying "no action taken." How long with this incident stay on my record and does "no action taken" mean that there are no letters in my file?
Thanks.
It means if you want to be honest, you keep a copy of that letter forever to take with you to all airline and other pilot job interviews. You answer in the affirmative to questions that ask if you have ever been investigated. If nothing else has happened, you can answer in the negative to questions that ask if you have been violated.
There are always backstabbers around who would do anything to see you suffer, and if they catch you in a lie, your career with that place is done. There are some places that won't touch you because you are presumed guilty and they won't consider your innocence. There are other places that will just want a copy of that letter for their file so if anything ever happens, they can hold the paper out to the investigating authorities and tell the authorities that they, your employer, did their due diligence.
01-09-2009, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jedinein
I'm thinking of framing my "no violation found" letter. Unfortunately, I don't have a scrap of that Inspector's hide to go with it.
It means if you want to be honest, you keep a copy of that letter forever to take with you to all airline and other pilot job interviews. You answer in the affirmative to questions that ask if you have ever been investigated. If nothing else has happened, you can answer in the negative to questions that ask if you have been violated.
There are always backstabbers around who would do anything to see you suffer, and if they catch you in a lie, your career with that place is done. There are some places that won't touch you because you are presumed guilty and they won't consider your innocence. There are other places that will just want a copy of that letter for their file so if anything ever happens, they can hold the paper out to the investigating authorities and tell the authorities that they, your employer, did their due diligence.
It means if you want to be honest, you keep a copy of that letter forever to take with you to all airline and other pilot job interviews. You answer in the affirmative to questions that ask if you have ever been investigated. If nothing else has happened, you can answer in the negative to questions that ask if you have been violated.
There are always backstabbers around who would do anything to see you suffer, and if they catch you in a lie, your career with that place is done. There are some places that won't touch you because you are presumed guilty and they won't consider your innocence. There are other places that will just want a copy of that letter for their file so if anything ever happens, they can hold the paper out to the investigating authorities and tell the authorities that they, your employer, did their due diligence.
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