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1900Driver 06-27-2008 02:30 PM

?? for those NetJets guys/gals..
 
I am wondering what the typical schedule of a Net Jets crew is? I understand there is a 7 on 7 off deal. But can anyone explain the flex 18 day thing? I am trying to look into Netjets more but I dont have any idea what schedules are or what lifestyle is like... I see the pay on APC. I appreciate anyones help out there. thnx

F16Driver 06-28-2008 04:22 AM

Pay on the APC scale is base pay. You will make more than that in the course of a year. I make about 15% on top of base. Plus there is full health and dental, 50% match 401K, and per diem (that is rarely used). Crew meals are not deducted from per diem. QOL is great and the pay makes it even better.

18 day vary across the board in how they are done. We put into the computer what times we want off and they try to build the schedule around it. 15 day is 3 5-day trips that are dropped wherever they are needed with a minimum of 3 days off between trips. I loved the 15 day but it didn't work well with my guard schedule. I'm back on the 7 and 7.

Good luck.

arjmjj 06-28-2008 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by F16Driver (Post 414070)
Pay on the APC scale is base pay. You will make more than that in the course of a year. I make about 15% on top of base. Plus there is full health and dental, 50% match 401K, and per diem (that is rarely used). Crew meals are not deducted from per diem. QOL is great and the pay makes it even better.

18 day vary across the board in how they are done. We put into the computer what times we want off and they try to build the schedule around it. 15 day is 3 5-day trips that are dropped wherever they are needed with a minimum of 3 days off between trips. I loved the 15 day but it didn't work well with my guard schedule. I'm back on the 7 and 7.

Good luck.

F16,

Out of curiosity how does vacation work on 15 day? Do they conveniently schedule you on either end of your vacation?

1900Driver 06-28-2008 01:44 PM

F16Driver
15 day is 3 5-day trips that are dropped wherever they are needed with a minimum of 3 days off between trips..

You said that they are dropped wherever they are needed? what does that mean? Is there any chance I could see one of your bids or lines? I am Confused because if your work or are on a trip the 1st 5 days of the month and then off 3 days and do it again for the next 2 weeks after the 24th of the month you still have 6 days left in the month? does that mean your off or on call?and how would the 18 month flex work? I think its easiest to understand the 7 on 7 off. but I would like to look into a job that wouldnt be gone always 7 straight days. thanks so much for your help..

F16Driver 06-28-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1900Driver (Post 414441)
F16Driver
15 day is 3 5-day trips that are dropped wherever they are needed with a minimum of 3 days off between trips..

You said that they are dropped wherever they are needed? what does that mean? Is there any chance I could see one of your bids or lines? I am Confused because if your work or are on a trip the 1st 5 days of the month and then off 3 days and do it again for the next 2 weeks after the 24th of the month you still have 6 days left in the month? does that mean your off or on call?and how would the 18 month flex work? I think its easiest to understand the 7 on 7 off. but I would like to look into a job that wouldnt be gone always 7 straight days. thanks so much for your help..

After 15 days of work in the month you are off.

On the 15 day, I would call crew services the last week of the month and they told me when my 5 day trips would be for the next month. The scheduling computer already knows when you are needed. I always worked those trips exactly as they were fragged. I was never on call.

I don't know how the 18 day works other than you request the time you want off, long or short trips, and the computer generates the schedule for the next month.

I also don't have experience with how the vacation works with the 15 day.

jtf560 06-29-2008 06:56 AM

Vacation on the 15 and 18 day schedules is pretty much the same. You get your week that you bid for and they give you a lead in of 4 days off before and then 4 days off after the bid week to bring it to 15 days. On the 18 day you can bid for a block of up to 3 days off before it and you will find out by the 15th of the month before your vacation if you got those days. You can also bid a block after it since we can bid for 2 separate 3 day blocks of time off per month. I would guess it's unlikely to get both 3 day blocks you asked for within the same month, but it is possible. I bid my vacations so that they would flow from one month into the next to make it more likely to get 3 days before and 3 days after (stretching it to 21 days). I got the first 3 and I'll find out by the 15th of next month if I got the last three to make a full 21 off in a row. In theory you could end up with more time than that off since it's a fixed schedule that you bid on on-line, but they make each schedule by hand and I guess if they like you it is possible for good things. The 15 day schedule will get you a minimum of 15 days off in a row for vacation and they will tell you what they project for you to work, but no extra days around the vacation are for sure off unless you finished a trip 1 to 3 days before the beginning of your vacation. I hope this helps and doesn't just make everything more confused.

Qpilot 06-29-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by arjmjj (Post 414102)
F16,

Out of curiosity how does vacation work on 15 day? Do they conveniently schedule you on either end of your vacation?

We are way too junior to think about vacation. Anyway I'm going stir crazy with all the time off I've had so far. I guess I need a few more hobbies.

ARL120384 06-30-2008 11:57 AM

Is mailing your application and resume to NJ the only way to apply? I was checking out their site and dont see an online application.

Any help?

THanks
ARL

So Wonwee 06-30-2008 12:16 PM

The 15 day schedule during a vacation period means you have 7 days of vacation and 8 remaining days of work. 7 + 8 = 15. You can only work 5 days at a time, except training. Most likely, you will get 2 tours that are 4 days long.
If you have vacation and training (7 days total including 2 travel days) in the same month, and training does not overlap two months, you will likely not be used for your one day.

NZNV 06-30-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1900Driver (Post 413691)
I am wondering what the typical schedule of a Net Jets crew is? I understand there is a 7 on 7 off deal. But can anyone explain the flex 18 day thing? I am trying to look into Netjets more but I dont have any idea what schedules are or what lifestyle is like... I see the pay on APC. I appreciate anyones help out there. thnx

I will give this a shot, just one thing, I am on the 400XP and things are different on other fleets, mainly with how much you work within a tour. So first you need to erase all ideas of an airline pilot schedule or bidlines work, they don't exist on the 18 day schedule. In order to get this schedule I submitted a bid preference sheet with options for two specific days off, short/long tours (short 6 or less, long 7 or more (4 eight day tours a year max)), and balanced/unbalanced days off (balanced meaning 3off 6on 3off 6on 3off 6on 3off to = 30 days and unbalanced meaning 6on 5off 5on 3off 7on 4off = 30 days. Then you can prioritize what you want most, right now it is done with humans and it is to be a computer in the next year or so, we are hoping a computer can do better. Here was my schedule on the 18 day for March-July, I have just put the days I worked any day not covered is a day off:

March: Tours 1-4, 11-17, 24-30
April: Tours 4-9, 15-20, 25-30
May: Tours 1-2, 8-14, Vaca 19-21, tour 26-31
June: Tours 1, 8-13, 17-21, Training 25-30
July: Training 1, Tours 6-11, 15-20, 27-31

When I bid it is pretty random, but unless I really need a day off I look for short tours. The three days of vacation happens when you get hired in the middle of the vacation year and only comes in your first year. On the tour from April 25-May 2nd I was sent home on May 1st (400XP thing). On all of these tours I only started on day once before 8am. If I remember correctly I was home before sunset everyone of them too. So now that you have the days you are working you can see what you will do on these days. I will pick a tour at random and tell you how it went: So the day before day one of a tour I will get a brief for day one on my Blackberry between 6-7pm. Brief is for 8am show for 8:30am Airline/Ground for PBI-MCO. I show up at 8am and here is what I did that day: Actually I was updated to not show until 9am then I took a Taxi (aka town car) from PBI-FLL, fly WN from FLL-MCO, went to Signature and sat for 4 hours munching on crew food until we went to the hotel for the night at 6pm. Day two: Show at 10am for flights MCO-PIE-IAD, arrived at IAD at 4pm and went to the hotel. Day three: 5am show to sit at Signature, ferry to HPN at 11am. Plane broke and went to the hotel at 1pm. Day four: 3am show on duty at hotel, duty ended at 10am. Day five: 4am show for flights HPN-YYZ-MMU, went to the hotel around 10am, had hotel duty until 1pm. Day six: Show at 7am for a limo to EWR and US EWR-CLT-PBI and back to PBI at 4:30p.

Now if someone would put a CE-750 or CE-650 tour on here it would probably have a little more flying involved. Some things to remember max duty day day is 14 hours, time over 12 hours is paid an hourly rate (about $35-$45/hr for a 1st year FO). Minimum rest is 10 hours. These are hard times and while mistakes happen as soon as it is pointed out it is fixed no question.

Well I hope this helps a little bit and if it is clear as mud I will try to answer questions as there is a lot more to it and I simplified it.


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