Hawker 800 crash in Owatonna, MN in a Thunderstorm
08-01-2008, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebravo
Whenever we talk about a pilot who has been killed in a flying accident, we should all keep one thing in mind. He called upon the sum of all his knowledge and made a judgment. He believed in it so strongly that he knowingly bet his life on it. That his judgment was faulty is a tragedy, not stupidity. Every instructor, supervisor, and contemporary who ever spoke to him had an opportunity to influence his judgment, so a little bit of all of us goes with every pilot we lose.
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Well put.
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08-01-2008, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebravo
Whenever we talk about a pilot who has been killed in a flying accident, we should all keep one thing in mind. He called upon the sum of all his knowledge and made a judgment. He believed in it so strongly that he knowingly bet his life on it. That his judgment was faulty is a tragedy, not stupidity. Every instructor, supervisor, and contemporary who ever spoke to him had an opportunity to influence his judgment, so a little bit of all of us goes with every pilot we lose.
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My prayers go out to their families!
08-01-2008, 05:51 AM
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I had the good fortune of flying with the Captain of that airplane for many years....I worked for East Coast Jets from 03 to 07, and he was my FO for 3 of those years. I can tell you he was an excellent stick and would NEVER drive an airplane into a TS or winds in excess of 70mph. He was also, more importantly, a great person and a dear friend. I ask everyone on this board to refrain from the usual "opinions turned fact" that usually ensues after an accident such as this.
The facts as I know them right now are this....a very nasty line of storms passed over the airport about a half hour prior to their arrival. The winds at the time of the crash were from the south at 5-10 mph. The crew radioed to the ground a few minutes before the crash to inquire about parking and gas, and reported no problems with the a/c. The black box was sent to DC for analysis and we will hopefully get many questions answered from that tape.
There are many folks at ECJ that frequent this board and are dealing with the loss of two friends and colleagues. Out of respect for us and the families of those affected, lets stick to the facts and leave the opinions to the idiots in the press.
Thank you all for your consideration and understanding.
The facts as I know them right now are this....a very nasty line of storms passed over the airport about a half hour prior to their arrival. The winds at the time of the crash were from the south at 5-10 mph. The crew radioed to the ground a few minutes before the crash to inquire about parking and gas, and reported no problems with the a/c. The black box was sent to DC for analysis and we will hopefully get many questions answered from that tape.
There are many folks at ECJ that frequent this board and are dealing with the loss of two friends and colleagues. Out of respect for us and the families of those affected, lets stick to the facts and leave the opinions to the idiots in the press.
Thank you all for your consideration and understanding.
08-01-2008, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by captscott26
I had the good fortune of flying with the Captain of that airplane for many years....I worked for East Coast Jets from 03 to 07, and he was my FO for 3 of those years. I can tell you he was an excellent stick and would NEVER drive an airplane into a TS or winds in excess of 70mph. He was also, more importantly, a great person and a dear friend. I ask everyone on this board to refrain from the usual "opinions turned fact" that usually ensues after an accident such as this.
The facts as I know them right now are this....a very nasty line of storms passed over the airport about a half hour prior to their arrival. The winds at the time of the crash were from the south at 5-10 mph. The crew radioed to the ground a few minutes before the crash to inquire about parking and gas, and reported no problems with the a/c. The black box was sent to DC for analysis and we will hopefully get many questions answered from that tape.
There are many folks at ECJ that frequent this board and are dealing with the loss of two friends and colleagues. Out of respect for us and the families of those affected, lets stick to the facts and leave the opinions to the idiots in the press.
Thank you all for your consideration and understanding.
The facts as I know them right now are this....a very nasty line of storms passed over the airport about a half hour prior to their arrival. The winds at the time of the crash were from the south at 5-10 mph. The crew radioed to the ground a few minutes before the crash to inquire about parking and gas, and reported no problems with the a/c. The black box was sent to DC for analysis and we will hopefully get many questions answered from that tape.
There are many folks at ECJ that frequent this board and are dealing with the loss of two friends and colleagues. Out of respect for us and the families of those affected, lets stick to the facts and leave the opinions to the idiots in the press.
Thank you all for your consideration and understanding.
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08-01-2008, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
I heard the ATC recording of the accident. Approach gave them weather info was fine except that they would be in "light precipitation" into the airport. Looks like they caught some windshear on final +-20knots.
08-02-2008, 03:24 AM
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I'm struck by one immediately apparent item as you view the video from the helicopter; it doesn't look like there was any fire. I would think that NBAA reserves for a Hawker would be at least 2,000 lbs (300 gallons) of fuel. That would have created a considerable fire especially given how badly the aircraft broke apart near the end of the ground track. This is a puzzler.
To those of you who lost your friends and colleagues, I'm very sad for your loss. Prayers to their families, and to the families of the passengers.
Carl
To those of you who lost your friends and colleagues, I'm very sad for your loss. Prayers to their families, and to the families of the passengers.
Carl
08-02-2008, 11:45 AM
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FWIW,
during one interview, witnesses said the smell of jet fuel was strong at the crash site. I dont know how much fuel it takes to have a strong smell though.
Also, from the helicopter footage, the localizer antenna off the departure end of 30 looked damaged and now the ILS is notamed out. Not saying what happened but just stating hat I have seen on TV.
Also, all of the shear and those reports of construction cones being blown over were on RST ground freq. it seems like they used a scanner to get the ATC tapes.
during one interview, witnesses said the smell of jet fuel was strong at the crash site. I dont know how much fuel it takes to have a strong smell though.
Also, from the helicopter footage, the localizer antenna off the departure end of 30 looked damaged and now the ILS is notamed out. Not saying what happened but just stating hat I have seen on TV.
Also, all of the shear and those reports of construction cones being blown over were on RST ground freq. it seems like they used a scanner to get the ATC tapes.
