MiserDD

Just off the top of my head... (Aside from the lack of customer service issue.) But the major issue could be that you have zero CRM time. One thing I’ve seen time and again with single seat guys is that when you stick them into a multi crew cockpit then give them multiple problems is that they tend to shut down the other crew member and try to become a one pilot show. I don’t mean that as an insult, it’s what saved your life for 6000+ hours, but the FAA attributes the majority of accidents today (not including light civil) to a break down within the crew. All of NetJets aircraft are multi crewed.

(This may one of the few times in history that cargo guys may be happy they didn’t get fighters.)

Best of luck to you. There are a lot of contractors hiring military pilots right now. Might not be what you want in the long term, but it’s a great way to build up multi crew and interactive (as opposed to part 121) passenger carrying time.

FlyFastLiveSlow

Right or wrong, the customer service piece is huge with them. I made sure that I highlighted my customer service strength in everything I sent them. The phone interview was heavily centered around "tell me about a time" customer service stories. Same with the live interviews. Both were 50% customer service questions. The answers to most of their questions can be found by sifting through the info on their website. If you are still interested in the company, I'd reapply. It shows persistance and interest on your part and I've heard several stories of guys getting the nod on the second try. Fit yourself and your past experiences into what the company is looking for. Best of luck to you.

volasl

I think there is a bias towards anyone that has been furloughed. Many pilots burned them last time when they were recalled so they dont want to go that route again.

I had to laugh when the email stated i wasnt qualified. I now refer to my job hunting as whats on my work history. I call it the

UNITED STENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F16Driver

Miser,

It is a common misconseption that single seat fighter guys have 0 CRM time. Our CRM happens within the flight. If anyone in the flight doesn't perform his or her task or responsibility, it can adversely affect the team. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist for EP aircraft, etc.etc.)

This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!!

This isn't to pound my chest, it is just to show that single seat fighter guys are more than qualified to be in a CRM aircraft.

It chaps my ass that they aren't even considering a 6000 hour fighter guy for a position because of this MAJOR customer service podium that they are currently on. We are not flight attendants. Our customer service is not THAT involved, IMHO. Others may disagree. I would rather have someone that is easy to get along with for 7 days than someone that is good at giving verbal BJ's to the customers. Again, IMHO.

Namreg

By all means POUND ON THAT CHEST!!!!
A small Thank you from me to you and all your brothers that put it on the line for regular joes like myself.
Never really knew the details of a day in the life of a fighter pilot,.. much respect.

F16Driver

Thanks Namreg.

However, I personally feel the men and women on the ground have the toughest job. Kicking in doors, dealing with IED's, longer deployments, etc. The up close and personal stuff they have to deal with everyday is insane. There isn't much in today's current ops that can get us fighter jocks watching from above. We just have to make sure that when we hit the pickle button that everything is perfect so we don't hurt or kill our own guys. Hard to do when they're yelling on the radio with gunfire in the background.

The scenarios that we train to, though, are the worst case scenarios. In today's current world climate, I have a bad feeling that the feces is going to hit the circular cooling device worse than it is now. I'm not looking forward to it, I just want to make sure I'm ready for it.

In the end it is a team effort. I just REALLY respect what our troops on the ground do everyday.

F16Driver

Sorry for straying off topic. For regularly scheduled programming, we (NJ pilots) are being told by recruiting that everyone that has had a phone interview more than a month ago should have been contacted. If you haven't and you've been waiting more than a month, send an email.

USMCFLYR

Hey - Marine guys have to do both
Yes - it is a chap. There doesn't really seem to be a right answer or a right approach.

USMCFLYR

EMBFlyer

I e-mailed them last Friday, after waiting 10 weeks. They e-mailed me back today, basically thanking me for taking the time to do the phone interview in July. The apologized for the amount of time it's taken thus far. They said they hope to have communication out to me shortly.

It's not a "no".

MiserDD

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Originally Posted by F16Driver

Miser,
It is a common misconseption that single seat fighter guys have 0 CRM time. Our CRM happens within the flight. If anyone in the flight doesn't perform his or her task or responsibility, it can adversely affect the team. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist for EP aircraft, etc.etc.)

I’m fully aware of that. We multi seat guys fly in flights also. We deal with internal AND external crew issues. (ie: radar search, proper formation, targeting and sorting resp, engaged/supporting resp, emergency backup-chase aircraft reads checklist, etc.etc.) But we practice doing things as a crew, not individually. The C in CRM stands for CREW.

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Originally Posted by F16Driver

This will step on toes but, flying a multi-crew aircraft(most of the time) is way easier than flying a single seat fighter, hitting the tanker at night in the wx, leading a 4-ship and other mission packages into the AOR, fighting and defending against air and ground threats, dropping ordinance on target on time danger close to troops in contact, than having to fight your way back out and land out of approach to minimums. Navy guys have to come back to a boat!!!

I’ll agree with you there. I’ve flown single seat and multi crew. Most of the time team effort is far easier than individual effort. I’ve also had the pleasure of having a crew member who was so screwed up that I had to undo all his errors and still fly and aircraft and handle external issues alone. Working as a team in a cockpit takes practice. And as I stated, I’ve viewed many sim evaluations where single seat guys with less than about half of their total time as multi-seat guys shutdown the other crew member when things got hot. They basically became a single seat aircraft.

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Originally Posted by F16Driver

This isn't to pound my chest, it is just to show that single seat fighter guys are more than qualified to be in a CRM aircraft.

God bless fighter guys, they are darn smart and good pilots, but FSI Dothan agrees with my statement on CRM.

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Originally Posted by F16Driver

It chaps my ass that they aren't even considering a 6000 hour fighter guy for a position because of this MAJOR customer service podium that they are currently on. We are not flight attendants. Our customer service is not THAT involved, IMHO. Others may disagree. I would rather have someone that is easy to get along with for 7 days than someone that is good at giving verbal BJ's to the customers. Again, IMHO.

Amen to that brother. Full agreement there.