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Old 10-07-2008, 08:48 PM
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Just found this on another forum. Any thoughts?
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so I am going through some old stuff on the computer cleaning out files and what comes up but this piece of Mr. Siegel....

BA will sack strike-hit caterer

Christopher Leake, Mail on Sunday
14 August 2005

BRITISH Airways is preparing to sack the hard-line American-owned catering
firm whose strike has cost the airline almost £50m and brought chaos to more
than 100,000 passengers. Outgoing BA chief executive Sir Rod Eddington has
told senior colleagues he is sickened by the way Gate Gourmet sacked 670
mainly Asian and female staff by megaphone and email last week.

Now Sir Rod has vowed that Gate Gourmet's £130m annual contract will be axed
when it comes up for renewal next year.

BA executives are actively searching for other firms to take over the
provision of 80,000 meals daily for passengers flying from Heathrow. It will
no longer depend on a single supplier to prevent a repeat of the airline
being held to ransom.

Close friends say Sir Rod is ' incandescent' over the confrontational
tactics adopted by Gate Gourmet's chairman and chief executive, American
David Siegel.


Siegel, 42, has a fierce reputation in the US where he has been at the
centre of a number of hard-fought industrial conflicts.

A union official last night accused bosses of Gate Gourmet, one of the
world's biggest airline catering companies, of treating staff 'like slaves'.

Yesterday its UK managing director, millionaire Eric Born, was at the Hilton
Hotel at Heathrow's Terminal 4 in talks with Transport and General Workers'
Union national secretary Brendan Gold to thrash out a peace deal. The T&GWU
wants the immediate reinstatement of sacked staff, plus guarantees on
benefits to lift wages averaging £12,000.

Mr Born, 34, is the sole director of Versa Logistics, a company set up
earlier this year to bring in lowerpaid workers from Eastern Europe if there
was a walkout.

Happy to state last week through a spokesman that Eastern European workers
were prepared to work for less money, he lives in a £1m converted barn at
Crowsley, Oxfordshire, with his wife and two children.

Joining him at the talks was Gate Gourmet's German general manager, Hans
Boesch, who was behind huge cutbacks by the firm in Frankfurt, where staff
were persuaded to work longer hours for less money.

Gate Gourmet is set to lose £25m this year after losses of £22m last year.
On Wednesday it dismissed staff and, according to union officials, locked
some in a company canteen for more than five hours without water or toilet
facilities when they tried to hold a union meeting. Security guards carried
out a pregnant woman when she refused to leave without being reinstated.


Some workers, including women on maternity leave, were sacked by phone or
email. The firm replaced them with 130 part-time casual staff.

This led to more than 1,000 T&GWU ground staff and baggage handlers staging
sympathy strikes, which stopped BA flights at Heathrow for 48 hours.

A senior BA insider said: 'Rod Eddington doesn't want to do business with an
organisation which treats its people like this. You can safely say we don't
want a repeat of this nonsense next summer, so Gate Gourmet will not have
its contract renewed. We are already looking at alternative suppliers.'


Last night disruption at Heathrow threatened to run for several days.
Yesterday 80 flights were cancelled, and some travellers faced the prospect
of a second night sleeping at the airport. BA said it was impossible to give
exact figures for the number of passengers who were still waiting for
flights because many had made alternative arrangements, but it is thought to
be several thousand.

Airport staff are also working to reunite would-be travellers with 10,000
pieces of luggage that have become 'stuck in the system'.

Last night T&GWU shop steward Sukhdev Dhillon described Mr Siegel as 'a
bully'. Mr Dhillon said: 'He has brought over this attitude from America and
this has caused the problems.

'I am ashamed to say that in this democratic country the company has treated
us like slaves.'

When multi-millionaire Mr Siegel flew to London last week, he was seen by
reporters being accompanied by four hefty bodyguards. This was regarded by
many as an over-reaction as most of his workers were middle-aged Asian
women.

At the heart of the dispute was the failure of Gate Gourmet management to
realise it could not bring its confrontational style to BA, where trade
unions are still powerful. One example cited by union officials claimed that
shop-floor staff were promoted to management positions and then made
redundant, allowing the company to say they were pruning the management
tier.


In America, Mr Siegel cut a swathe through labour relations. He started his
airline career at Northwest Airlines and held management roles at Avis
Rent-a-Car and Continental Airlines. He won a £2.5m package from US Airways
as chief executive last year after directors asked for his resignation. He
had clashed with unions after demanding a huge round of cost reductions.

Mr Siegel is a business associate of David Bonderman, a founder of Gate
Gourmet's US private equity owner, Texas Pacific Group. Mr Bonderman, who
has a fortune estimated at £6billion, is chairman of Ryanair.

Gate Gourmet admitted last night that it had stepped up security for
executives once the dispute became unofficial, but refused to discuss
security for Mr Siegel. A spokesman said: 'A security firm was used, but we
never go into details.'

On claims by the T&GWU that members had been locked inside a canteen, a
spokesman said: 'Nobody was taken hostage. The workers who were dismissed
were asked to leave and they refused.' The spokesman said Acas talks had
been adjourned and would continue today.

A T&GWU spokesman said last night: 'We expect Gate Gourmet to reinstate our
members as soon as possible. Then we can move on to talk about productivity
improvements.'
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Originally Posted by III Corps View Post
so I am going through some old stuff on the computer cleaning out files and what comes up but this piece of Mr. Siegel....



hang onto your hats, boys...

Well that's just dandy. Lots or corporate/frax outfits dont like hiring 121 pilots because of their stigma. But now we are hiring airline CEO's into frax????? My god is anywhere safe from these greedy idiots?
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Well that's just dandy. Lots or corporate/frax outfits dont like hiring 121 pilots because of their stigma. But now we are hiring airline CEO's into frax????? My god is anywhere safe from these greedy idiots?
i've been in all three major aviation communities, military, gen-av and airline. each has its own requirements and what I have seen is the best people are those who understand the requirements and adapt. but what happens is the few who can't adapt but transition from one group to another create an image.. thus you get the old but useless and unending arguments of USAF vs Navy, gen av vs military, airline vs gen av. it's really like flying different airplanes.. you always play to its strengths and wisely respect its weaknesses. it is not a matter of what you wish or want or think is fair. it is what it is.

Siegel is a hired gun and a friend of Bonderman. I doubt Bonderman went out and said, "i wonder who I can find that will make life best for the employees." and with the economy tanking, the easy thing to do is take advantage of the environment. "the economy is bad.. we need to cut costs and you are a cost." and along with that comes pay cuts, higher costs for fewer benefits, etc. And when times turn good again, it is not a restoration to former levels but a fight to just to get anything. No 'you helped me.. I help you."

Siegel was at USAir after Wolf and Gangwal left. They too were despised but after 9-11 Gangwal said in an interview, '9-11 has allowed us to do some things we would not have been able to do otherwise" meaning using force majeur clauses. He, like Siegel, was/is a weasel but for one isolated moment, he was an honest weasel.

lastly, under Siegel the company decided to toss out the rules. Okay, we didn't play by the rules. Grieve it. the worse case is the company may lose but it took a long time for grievances to be heard, ruled on, challenged, etc... in the meantime they could did mostly what they wanted to.

Maybe Siegel has changed. Maybe he has seen the light. But I wouldn't put any real money on it.
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I wish you guys the best of luck. With this news, I am discontinuing my application to XOJet...
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I wish you guys the best of luck. With this news, I am discontinuing my application to XOJet...
Even though I think Siegel is a dirtbag, I would not pull my app were I you. You may get hired, find enough shrubs to hide behind and stay out of the line of fire. and maybe with enough forewarning, the pilot group may be able to blunt mr. siegel's efforts to pull his usual antics. I would at least give it a 'sniff test' and talk to some of the guys at XOjet before rejecting it.

Maybe he has had an epiphany...
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Originally Posted by III Corps View Post
...maybe with enough forewarning, the pilot group may be able to blunt mr. siegel's efforts to pull his usual antics...
I question how the pilots group will have much success without a union. In reality, I’ve never been a great fan of unions due to their propensity for corruption, but I’ve always seen their need IOT protect workers from unscrupulous managers. Companies like UPS, with single company pilot unions, I think work the best. If XO Jet were to form one, I believe their pilots would have a better chance.
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I question how the pilots group will have much success without a union. ]
the point exactly. my posts were just to advise anyone expecting a honeymoon to be very wary and apprised of history.
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor View Post
I wish you guys the best of luck. With this news, I am discontinuing my application to XOJet...
Cool, PM me your name so I can forward it on to hiring...

Also, don't think we will ever have a union!
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I question how the pilots group will have much success without a union. In reality, I’ve never been a great fan of unions due to their propensity for corruption, but I’ve always seen their need IOT protect workers from unscrupulous managers. Companies like UPS, with single company pilot unions, I think work the best. If XO Jet were to form one, I believe their pilots would have a better chance.
If they don't form a union and work with other pilots at fractionals they will have no chance. Seems clear that the fractional operators are going for cost reductions.
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Siegel is a hired gun and a friend of Bonderman. I doubt Bonderman went out and said, "i wonder who I can find that will make life best for the employees." and with the economy tanking, the easy thing to do is take advantage of the environment. "the economy is bad.. we need to cut costs and you are a cost." and along with that comes pay cuts, higher costs for fewer benefits, etc. And when times turn good again, it is not a restoration to former levels but a fight to just to get anything. No 'you helped me.. I help you."

Maybe Siegel has changed. Maybe he has seen the light. But I wouldn't put any real money on it.
III Corps,

I understand your frustration with David Siegel. His track record is horrific from an employee perspective. However, you are a little confused in a few areas.

First, David Bonderman does not get to make the decisions. When TPG bought into XOJET, they were granted two board positions. (Bonderman and Siegel) Paul Touw, the founder of the company continues to remain the Chairman of the board, and the remaining three board members were hand picked by him. So clearly, Bonderman cannot force the board to do anything. You might also be surprised to learn the single largest group of shareholders at XO are the employees! I am not sure if Paul or TPG is next, but make no mistake this is not a TPG owned company!

You may be right about Siegel not changeing, but you are also completely missing the larger point. Siegel's job is improve profitability. At an airline, one way to achieve that goal is to reduce employee compensation. The down side to that strategy is that it tends to alienate the labor groups, and and their displeasure is most often reflected back on the customer. It's not such a big deal at an airline since customer expectations are incredibly low, and they are overwhelmingly motivated by cheap fares.

By contrast, our customers are ponying up huge money for an enjoyable and premium travel experience. If they were simply purchasing transportation, they'd fly coach on US Air for a very, very small fraction of the cost.

The pilot group is almost entirely responsible for providing the "customer experience" since most of our flights do not have flight attendants. Our passengers often have little or no other interaction with the company. When we greet our passengers at their limo's, we are XOJET... not simply XOJET pilots.

Customer surveys indicate that our flight crews are what set us apart, and our marketing department focuses heavily on that fact. My opinion is that David Siegel is smart enough to realize that screwing with the pilot group is not in his or the companies best interest. I don't know exactly what independent power the Bylaws grant our Executive Chairman, but I would not be surprised if he can fire the CEO without board approval. Either way, if Seigel tries to dramatically change our culture to the detriment of the company, the board will not stand for it.

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