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Old 11-07-2009, 06:39 PM
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all Fractional pilots,

I am a flight school student currently going through an aviation science program at a community college. I am taking an aviation careers class this term that requires me to research three aviation companies of my choice: SkyWest, NetJets, and Southwest. A lot of the information I need to find can't really be found on the internet and so I need to talk to a fractional employee, preferably a pilot, to get this information. The reason I have chosen these companies is because from what I have heard and read, they are great companies to fly for and treat their employees well.
Here is a list of the information I need:
  • History (when it was founded, by whom, any interesting facts or records)
  • Mergers/takeovers/acquisitions (when, by whom, what happened as a result)
  • Organization chart/Important people (including chief pilot “person with the power” to hire you and their contact info)
  • Number of employees (by job type, i.e. mechanics, pilots, office personnel)
  • Financial information (annual revenues, stock history, any bankruptcies)
  • Fleet (types of aircraft, how many, bases, age, any new orders)
  • Schedules (where they fly and how often)
  • Any “hot issues” that have appeared in the news recently related to your company
Naturally I think pilots are some of the coolest people on the planet, so I would love to talk to any pilots from the above companies Any help anyone can give me on this would be very greatly appreciated!
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:58 PM
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Post your contact info. Because you don't have enough posts to use the private message option you need a way for people to contact you.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:28 PM
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I would HIGHLY recommend a degree in something other then aviation. Anything other then aviation. When you get furloughed that aviation degree will be worth bupkus.

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Old 11-08-2009, 04:13 PM
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I would HIGHLY recommend a degree in something other then aviation. Anything other then aviation. When you get furloughed that aviation degree will be worth bupkus.

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Yeah get out while you still can. I have been furloughed 3 times in 7 years now. I know we are not answering any of your questions but I feel a moral obligation to guide people out of flying. I have changed 3 people's minds already. Helps me sleep at night.
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:36 PM
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If you have the motivation to become a professional pilot chances are you can succeed in a number of other fields. Pursue them.

Become successful and learn to fly as a hobby. Many (most?) professional pilots would like to do so but can't afford to anymore.

Our profession is dying. Do yourself a big, big favor and get out while you still can--and then fly for fun.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:29 PM
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My contact information is [email protected] or if anyone would like to contact me by phone: 503-956-0330. A little more specific info. I am going through Portland CC and doing my flying at Hillsboro Aviation at KTTD. My first name is George.

Thank you to all of you who have given me an honest report of how tough the aviation industry is- especially right now. I'm glad for that input as it gives me an opportunity to explain some of the meat and potatoes of the kind of person I am I am 28 years old and have seen a lot of the grim realities of the cold shoulder most people call the real world. I grew up under Portland's airspace shelf and so have wanted to be a pilot since I was four years old. I started my flight training back in 2006, earned my private pilot's license, then had to put off my flying for almost a year because the airlines were hiring up instructors as fast as they could and so good CFIIs became a rare commodity at flight schools. After a year and a half of one set back after another I got my instrument rating. Working on my commercial license hasn't been any better- one delay after another. I haven't figured out why some people aspire to fly planes and other people either run from them or don't care one way or another. Flying planes is my passion and calling and one I don't intend to abandon. Perhaps this puts me at a big disadvantage because the problem with knowing what you want to do is that you won't be happy doing anything else. All pilots stand on the shoulders of aviation pioneers who came before us. All of those pioneers became legends because they never gave up no matter what. The Tuskegee airmen are a good example of this aviation tenacity. You can all quote me on this one if you like, but I love to tell people a simple, yet profound truth I have figured out- the only difference between successful people and failures is that successful people are failures who never give up! I'm sure a lot of pilots reading this are thinking, "sounds great, but you have a lot to learn kid!" I know I have only begun to learn everything there is about aviation, but Damn it! I'm not giving up no matter how hard it gets! When it comes to discouragement and difficulties I say, "bring it on!" I love discouragement and difficulty as they are the fuel that keeps me fired up!
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Originally Posted by Rockie View Post
My contact information is [email protected] or if anyone would like to contact me by phone: 503-956-0330. A little more specific info. I am going through Portland CC and doing my flying at Hillsboro Aviation at KTTD. My first name is George.

Thank you to all of you who have given me an honest report of how tough the aviation industry is- especially right now. I'm glad for that input as it gives me an opportunity to explain some of the meat and potatoes of the kind of person I am I am 28 years old and have seen a lot of the grim realities of the cold shoulder most people call the real world. I grew up under Portland's airspace shelf and so have wanted to be a pilot since I was four years old. I started my flight training back in 2006, earned my private pilot's license, then had to put off my flying for almost a year because the airlines were hiring up instructors as fast as they could and so good CFIIs became a rare commodity at flight schools. After a year and a half of one set back after another I got my instrument rating. Working on my commercial license hasn't been any better- one delay after another. I haven't figured out why some people aspire to fly planes and other people either run from them or don't care one way or another. Flying planes is my passion and calling and one I don't intend to abandon. Perhaps this puts me at a big disadvantage because the problem with knowing what you want to do is that you won't be happy doing anything else. All pilots stand on the shoulders of aviation pioneers who came before us. All of those pioneers became legends because they never gave up no matter what. The Tuskegee airmen are a good example of this aviation tenacity. You can all quote me on this one if you like, but I love to tell people a simple, yet profound truth I have figured out- the only difference between successful people and failures is that successful people are failures who never give up! I'm sure a lot of pilots reading this are thinking, "sounds great, but you have a lot to learn kid!" I know I have only begun to learn everything there is about aviation, but Damn it! I'm not giving up no matter how hard it gets! When it comes to discouragement and difficulties I say, "bring it on!" I love discouragement and difficulty as they are the fuel that keeps me fired up!
You asked for it.... "sounds great, but you have A LOT to learn kid!"
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My contact information is [email protected] or if anyone would like to contact me by phone: 503-956-0330. A little more specific info. I am going through Portland CC and doing my flying at Hillsboro Aviation at KTTD. My first name is George.

Thank you to all of you who have given me an honest report of how tough the aviation industry is- especially right now. I'm glad for that input as it gives me an opportunity to explain some of the meat and potatoes of the kind of person I am I am 28 years old and have seen a lot of the grim realities of the cold shoulder most people call the real world. I grew up under Portland's airspace shelf and so have wanted to be a pilot since I was four years old. I started my flight training back in 2006, earned my private pilot's license, then had to put off my flying for almost a year because the airlines were hiring up instructors as fast as they could and so good CFIIs became a rare commodity at flight schools. After a year and a half of one set back after another I got my instrument rating. Working on my commercial license hasn't been any better- one delay after another. I haven't figured out why some people aspire to fly planes and other people either run from them or don't care one way or another. Flying planes is my passion and calling and one I don't intend to abandon. Perhaps this puts me at a big disadvantage because the problem with knowing what you want to do is that you won't be happy doing anything else. All pilots stand on the shoulders of aviation pioneers who came before us. All of those pioneers became legends because they never gave up no matter what. The Tuskegee airmen are a good example of this aviation tenacity. You can all quote me on this one if you like, but I love to tell people a simple, yet profound truth I have figured out- the only difference between successful people and failures is that successful people are failures who never give up! I'm sure a lot of pilots reading this are thinking, "sounds great, but you have a lot to learn kid!" I know I have only begun to learn everything there is about aviation, but Damn it! I'm not giving up no matter how hard it gets! When it comes to discouragement and difficulties I say, "bring it on!" I love discouragement and difficulty as they are the fuel that keeps me fired up!
Gee... You're motivation is almost inspiring. Take it from people who are living this nightmare. Get out and run the other direction as fast as you can. Get out before spending another dime. If you hang in there, you'll be unemployed and on the street before you know it with massive debt. Oh yeah, it's a dream- the worst dream you'll ever live through. Are the Tuskogee airmen gonna pay your bills? Even if you are lucky enough to stay employed, you can rest assured your hard work and that of the "pioneers" of aviation will go unappreciated day in and day out. You'll turn into a fat slob and probably end up divourced. I have to go. Sitting on ready reserve every day this month. Maybe you should do some research on that. It's like being in prison and making $8.00 per day, taxable. Not trying to be a jerk, just thought you should know none of us can put into words how terrible this job is, if you're lucky enough to keep it. I'm not so fortunate.
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If you are sure this is the profession for you, then you really do need to get another skill in school. An aviation degree doesn't really get you a flying job any easier. I highly suggest getting some sort of job skill that will be for something with flexible hours that pays well per hour. The amount of pilots who are able to make it through a flying career without any furloughs or sidesteps is almost non-existant now. I'm not sure if you are too old to join the Air National Guard or Reserves, but that would another great way to cover your butt when your civilian flying job goes south. I know a quite a few guys who have gone back and forth with Reserve or Guard units flying tankers or cargo since those positions typically allow for a full time fall back if needed. If you really want to fly, please set yourself up for the lulls in your career.
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I am younger than you but I will say it anyway.......you have a lot to learn kid
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