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Old 10-23-2010, 05:49 AM   #51  
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Your fellow pilots are posting that my info is quite accurate. Hell.....I read it of the excact email you YOU have. I am believing the other guys, not the Koolaid guy,

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Your fellow pilots are posting that my info is quite accurate. Hell.....I read it of the excact email you YOU have. I am believing the other guys, not the Koolaid guy,
Actually, your info has some truth(not much) and a lot of misinformation. Your statement is at best misinformed, but it might actually be completely dishonest. You seem to mixing facts with conjecture, or personal opinion. Let me show you the honest way to handle facts, and how to seperate them from personal opinion. Conjecture of course, does not represent facts, but rather is a reasonable supposition based on facts and the experience of the person doing the reasoning. Conjecture can be wrong. Is this too complicated for you? Let's try some examples.

Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.

Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.

What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?

And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.

The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.

I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.

It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.

Fanblade.

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Old 10-23-2010, 12:20 PM   #53  
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:17 PM   #54  
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BTDI = Tim Martins?


Ever flown an F16, dude?
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Actually, your info has some truth(not much) and a lot of misinformation. Your statement is at best misinformed, but it might actually be completely dishonest. You seem to mixing facts with conjecture, or personal opinion. Let me show you the honest way to handle facts, and how to seperate them from personal opinion. Conjecture of course, does not represent facts, but rather is a reasonable supposition based on facts and the experience of the person doing the reasoning. Conjecture can be wrong. Is this too complicated for you? Let's try some examples.

Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.

Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.

What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?

And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.

The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.

I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.

It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.

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Old 10-23-2010, 07:13 PM   #56  
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So you are saying that if you get home at 10:00 pm on day 8, you get paid 6 hours for that day? That's only 25% of your daily rate and you are working all day! Not to mention that you used to get OT for that. I'm not sure what that rate is, but the math will come out to less that %25 obviously.
No, that's not what he's saying. Read it again, carefully.
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Your fellow pilots are posting that my info is quite accurate. Hell.....I read it of the excact email you YOU have. I am believing the other guys, not the Koolaid guy,
The emails that come from Avantair state at bottom:

This e-mail message from Avantair is for the sole use of the intended recipient or recipients unless an authorization to forward is specified. This email may not be considered spam. It may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution, or other dissemination of this e-mail message and/or the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

So, what you are saying is that you are getting forwarded emails from a current employee at Avantair and are disclosing and distributing confidential information from a company with CEO that has a law background?

I think I would consider my informant/friends employment before I went shooting my mouth off in a public forum about emails he forwarded to you.

Just my 2 cents

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Old 10-23-2010, 08:57 PM   #58  
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Changing to an 8-day schedule equates to an additional 26 days per year that you now have to fly. Now, instead of working 6 months per year and being with your families 6 months per year, you now have to work 7 months per year and get to spend 5 months with your families.
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The emails that come from Avantair state at bottom:

This e-mail message from Avantair is for the sole use of the intended recipient or recipients unless an authorization to forward is specified. This email may not be considered spam. It may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution, or other dissemination of this e-mail message and/or the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

So, what you are saying is that you are getting forwarded emails from a current employee at Avantair and are disclosing and distributing confidential information from a company with CEO that has a law background?

I think I would consider my informant/friends employment before I went shooting my mouth off in a public forum about emails he forwarded to you.

Just my 2 cents
your one of those Please...if most pilots haven't figured it out. We are pretty much the only ones who are pathetic enough to get involved in these threads. Do you think owners/management sit around all day figuring out who's who? Pilots are not that important.....we only think we are. Absolutely nothing will happen..... carry on
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I agree. And I also seriously doubt a max pilot exodus at Avantair. Where they gonna go? Management understands this. Its an employers' market right now and thats just the way it is. One day it will swing back the other way.
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