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Old 10-14-2010, 02:06 PM
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Management unilaterally decided to implement an 8-on/6-off schedule for all pilots. The PAC doesn't support or agree with the decision. Base pay remains the same (no pay increase) with (as I understand it) regular hourly pay beginning at 4 a.m. on 8th day until you reach your base/domicile.

The only upside I see from the new forced schedule is that senior captains who have enjoyed big bucks volunteering for OT will no longer be relatively compensed. This may discourage them from taking on the extra work and will result in the company coming to terms with a realistic picture of the actual supply and demand. They need to hire more pilots to fly the line rather than scrambling at the last minute and paying out huge sums in OT to cover the line.
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AttitudeUp View Post
Management unilaterally decided to implement an 8-on/6-off schedule for all pilots. The PAC doesn't support or agree with the decision. Base pay remains the same (no pay increase) with (as I understand it) regular hourly pay beginning at 4 a.m. on 8th day until you reach your base/domicile.

The only upside I see from the new forced schedule is that senior captains who have enjoyed big bucks volunteering for OT will no longer be relatively compensed. This may discourage them from taking on the extra work and will result in the company coming to terms with a realistic picture of the actual supply and demand. They need to hire more pilots to fly the line rather than scrambling at the last minute and paying out huge sums in OT to cover the line.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by T56Maniac View Post
I'm ready, put me in the game..... :-)
It is people like this that give management the leverage to do whatever they want with your schedules and pay. There is always someone willing to do your job for cheaper.

Avantair folks: What cuts has management taken? If the CEO makes what Beentheredoneit says he does, then he makes way too much for a company that is still in the red.

Making the pilots work an extra day with no pay raise... I call that a pay cut. You NEED to start a union drive. Even if you don't want a union, management will likely be more receptive to the pilot groups' requests. Look at Allegiant as an example example.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Flex81 View Post
You NEED to start a union drive. Even if you don't want a union, management will likely be more receptive to the pilot groups' requests. Look at Allegiant as an example example.
Either that, or when they head to Flight Safety, magically the examiners will find something to bust you on and you're out the door. Watch that circling approach!

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Old 10-21-2010, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AttitudeUp View Post
Management unilaterally decided to implement an 8-on/6-off schedule for all pilots. The PAC doesn't support or agree with the decision. Base pay remains the same (no pay increase) with (as I understand it) regular hourly pay beginning at 4 a.m. on 8th day until you reach your base/domicile.

The only upside I see from the new forced schedule is that senior captains who have enjoyed big bucks volunteering for OT will no longer be relatively compensed. This may discourage them from taking on the extra work and will result in the company coming to terms with a realistic picture of the actual supply and demand. They need to hire more pilots to fly the line rather than scrambling at the last minute and paying out huge sums in OT to cover the line.
I doubt that it is going to cause a hiring spree. Everyone will be working an extra day (not just the senior captains you mentioned).

So you are saying that if you get home at 10:00 pm on day 8, you get paid 6 hours for that day? That's only 25% of your daily rate and you are working all day! Not to mention that you used to get OT for that. I'm not sure what that rate is, but the math will come out to less that %25 obviously.

If I were a Captain there, I would make sure to write up Mx discrepancies right away when they break (instead of carrying them to your Mx bases).
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by minitour View Post
Either that, or when they head to Flight Safety, magically the examiners will find something to bust you on and you're out the door. Watch that circling approach!

-mini
Yeah, it would be tough to get it done and not let the company know who is for and who is against the union. They would surely try to get rid of the pro-union folks using any means possible.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:47 PM
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Several pilots have contacted me and given me the latest scoop there:

They say that several people have quit in the past few days (with more coming) since the forced implementation of their new 8/6 schedule. I’m told that nearly half a dozen fewer pilots fly for them today then they had two weeks. It amazes me that pilots are resigning from Avantair in this economy.

Management THANKED the pilots and PAC for their participation in the new schedule process, meanwhile the PAC says they weren't even consuulted about it, they oppose it, and had nothing to do with it. Someone is lying....LOL

The company is now so short on pilots that they are sending out multiple e-mails begging for pilots to work extra days. It doesn't sound like there are many takers.
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Old 10-22-2010, 03:49 AM
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That sounds about right. Except I only got 1 e-mail begging.

Put me down as actively searching.
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Old 10-22-2010, 05:25 PM
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I have worked here for years and after checking around I found out that the posted info is incorrect concerning the number of pilots leaving, the PAC (Pilot Advisory Committee) not being involved in the process, the number of emails that went out, the intent of that email and the response to the email.

Has any one seen an obsessed angry and obviously disgruntled ex-employee who may still be carrying a grudge about the fact that he did not get an upgrade at his 1 year recurrent anywhere on this website?
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:14 PM
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Your fellow pilots are posting that my info is quite accurate. Hell.....I read it of the excact email you YOU have. I am believing the other guys, not the Koolaid guy,
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