Scheduling troubles at Avantair?
10-24-2010, 03:07 PM
#61
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: CE680
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by fanblade
Actually, your info has some truth(not much) and a lot of misinformation. Your statement is at best misinformed, but it might actually be completely dishonest. You seem to mixing facts with conjecture, or personal opinion. Let me show you the honest way to handle facts, and how to seperate them from personal opinion. Conjecture of course, does not represent facts, but rather is a reasonable supposition based on facts and the experience of the person doing the reasoning. Conjecture can be wrong. Is this too complicated for you? Let's try some examples.
Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.
Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.
What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?
And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.
The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.
I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.
It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.
Fanblade.
Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.
Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.
What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?
And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.
The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.
I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.
It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.
Fanblade.
Originally Posted by Triggs
That was so good I had to make sure BTDI saw it again. Don't know who you are, but the beer is on me.
Just to keep this excellent post at the top of the list, I had to re-visit.
And, I'd buy you a beer, but supposedly I only drink Kool-Aid, so it'll have to be some Gentleman Jack, (and Kool-Aid)...
10-24-2010, 03:16 PM
#62
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: CE680
Posts: 53
And BTDI, before you take offense again, and toss the "Kool-Aid drinker on cue" line at me again, let me just re-play this blast from your past.
I was so flattered at the time when you posted:
Nice to have been appreciated! Now please go away...
I was so flattered at the time when you posted:
Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneIt
BM, you were one of the pilots that I mentioned who were safety conscience and professional. I enjoyed flying with you. I wish you and your company all the best.
10-24-2010, 04:31 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by fanblade
Actually, your info has some truth(not much) and a lot of misinformation. Your statement is at best misinformed, but it might actually be completely dishonest. You seem to mixing facts with conjecture, or personal opinion. Let me show you the honest way to handle facts, and how to seperate them from personal opinion. Conjecture of course, does not represent facts, but rather is a reasonable supposition based on facts and the experience of the person doing the reasoning. Conjecture can be wrong. Is this too complicated for you? Let's try some examples.
Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.
Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.
What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?
And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.
The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.
I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.
It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.
Fanblade.
Only one pilot has quit in the past two weeks. My source is a member of the pac, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I'm going to label that a fact. His departure could easily be normal attrition, or not. I don't know the details, and clearly you don't either. Because I don't know, I will not venture any conjecture.
Are the pilots upset right now? Sure, most are, but we'll work it out, and come out of this stronger. That's a personal opinion, followed by conjecture, not a fact. I haven't taken a poll, or anything. Some may leave, most will stay, the economy will, I hope, strengthen, and Avantair will, with luck, flourish. This is more conjecture. I wish these ideas were facts, but they are not. To express them as facts would be dishonest. Do you know what dishonest means? I wonder.
What is also known is that you lasted to a recurrent event and left the company under questionable circumstances. I know it's a more complicated idea, but that's a fact mixed with personal conjecture. Are we clear on that point? Are you starting to understand? There are several rumors floating around the company as to what happened at your recurrent, but I don't know them to be true. I know they can't all be, and they may all easily be false. Repeating them here would be considered dishonest by most self-respecting people. See how this works?
And you are now posting misinformation on this forum, because you were given a lifetime ban from Flightinfo.com for divulging personal information about another member, and then sending insulting e-mails to the moderators. Those are facts. Those are also the actions of a less than respectable person. That's a personal opinion.
The aviation world is very, very small, and your name is now well known among many people, both pilots and management, for all the wrong reasons. That's a fact followed by personal conjecture.
I will state as a personal opinion that your motivations and actions are pathetic. We have left you behind. That's a fact. Does this make you angry? That's a question. You can answer it, or not. Most people would either choose to answer it honestly, or they would choose to not answer it rather than lie. Most people, by sticking to the truth, sleep better and are able to look their spouses and children in the eye the next morning. They know, in their hearts, that they can be trusted through thick and thin. The people in their lives know it, too. Liars don't have that feeling.
It has been said by someone much smarter than me that "the best revenge is living well." That's called advice. In my opinion, it's good advice. You might think about that. Grow a pair, and move on with your life. That's a suggestion.
Fanblade.
10-25-2010, 11:28 AM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: FO
Posts: 247
Originally Posted by p-factor
No, that's not what he's saying. Read it again, carefully.
Is that correct?
10-26-2010, 05:47 PM
#70
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 9
I am not sure about your pay guys but really in this climate a lot of pilots would kill for any of those schedules. I am going to a 15 on 13 off with a great company and I am very happy with that schedule. I have done all the mentioned schedules and then one other for the last five months...O(zero) on, no paycheck and everything off..think about that..having said that I held out so I would not be abused..
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