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10-27-2010, 12:30 AM

#71

BeenThereDoneIt

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Flampard.....I agree with their senior PAC Member who said in his e-mail to the pilot group that this new schedule was a PAY CUT and he doesn't support it. Have any other fractionals had PAY CUTS? I know some had furloughs.

10-27-2010, 04:57 AM

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I believe Alpha/Planesense had a small actual cut in their pay.

Working more time for same pay is often considered a "pay cut"...but its not the same as an actual decrease in your compensation.

10-27-2010, 09:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flampard

I am not sure about your pay guys but really in this climate a lot of pilots would kill for any of those schedules. I am going to a 15 on 13 off with a great company and I am very happy with that schedule. I have done all the mentioned schedules and then one other for the last five months...O(zero) on, no paycheck and everything off..think about that..having said that I held out so I would not be abused..

Do you work for XO? Their Challenger 300 looks real nice. I am seeing XO more often at different ramps.

10-27-2010, 12:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

I believe Alpha/Planesense had a small actual cut in their pay.

Working more time for same pay is often considered a "pay cut"...but its not the same as an actual decrease in your compensation.

If I am forced to work 14% more time for the same pay......that is a PAY CUT.

10-27-2010, 02:40 PM

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GlasssPilot

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What if you work 100% less time for no money?

10-27-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneIt

If I am forced to work 14% more time for the same pay......that is a PAY CUT.

Except that all things being equal in that situation, one's W2 didn't change...so no, it wasn't an actual reduction in compensation. Perhaps its just semantics (because I agree with you that more work for no additional compensation is concessionary in nature) but its an important distinction to make.

10-27-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Only if you are applying for the chief pilots job.

For everyone else it's a pay cut.

10-28-2010, 01:48 PM

#78

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Typical corporate America...the CEO gets a nice raise while the pilots take a PAY CUT. I wonder if any of the other 300 employees who aren't pilots had to take a PAY CUT. Wasn't there a conference call today to discuss the new schedule?

10-28-2010, 02:52 PM

#79

AKASHA

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They're running a business silly. Its not about spreading the wealth.

10-31-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex81

It is people like this that give management the leverage to do whatever they want with your schedules and pay. There is always someone willing to do your job for cheaper.

Thanks for taking my response out of context Flex81. And I never said that I would do the job for cheaper. I was simply making a statement that if the company is hiring (supply and demand) that I would be glad to be part of that growth.