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Old 07-07-2011, 01:00 PM
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This will cost the company millions in scheduling efficiencies that will now be non-existent due to contract obligations on crew duty, etc.

It's simple math. Cessna is sucking wind already. CA has been a bleeding financial artery since its inception.

Time for them to cut the fat.

And I do not work for CA. I did years ago and left on great terms. I am just an outsider looking in at this point.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:42 AM
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..."And that's the view of someone who left years ago for a management job...we now return you to the real world..."

Haha, management? Right. Try ops job at a different company after leaving that place years ago. But I realize that you all feel that you're victims to the profession that you chose on your own free will. Indeed, the world is out to get you.

Hint: Your new Cessna CEO is former GE. Have fun with that.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:09 PM
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Haha, management? Right. Try ops job at a different company after leaving that place years ago. But I realize that you all feel that you're victims to the profession that you chose on your own free will. Indeed, the world is out to get you.

Hint: Your new Cessna CEO is former GE. Have fun with that.
If you left years ago, than you really have no idea what's been going on. Thus, really don't have a lot of useful info to add here.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:35 AM
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If you left years ago, than you really have no idea what's been going on. Thus, really don't have a lot of useful info to add here.
KaChing!! We have a winner!!!!

Well said.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:26 PM
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If you left years ago, than you really have no idea what's been going on. Thus, really don't have a lot of useful info to add here.
You, sir, are 100% dead wrong. In fact, now that I'm away from being an internal employee there, I have better "insider" insight and information than ever before.
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:11 PM
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You, sir, are 100% dead wrong. In fact, now that I'm away from being an internal employee there, I have better "insider" insight and information than ever before.
Okay.. I guess you are the all knowing. So.. What's your opinion of the last SO pay memo? Do you think that it was proper? How about our new health plan? Do you think it's a good one?
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:18 PM
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Okay.. I guess you are the all knowing. So.. What's your opinion of the last SO pay memo? Do you think that it was proper? How about our new health plan? Do you think it's a good one?
All knowing? No. Clear minded and not buying into all of the fluff that was ever-present at that company? Absolutely. I have the "luxury" of having an unbiased, untarnished view into a business that's struggling...one that's been a bleeding artery for Cessna for 10+ years. Sales are down at Cessna, Jet Management isn't taking off nearly as fast as they had hoped, and the Optimizer ****ed you all off to the point where you foolishly voted a union into play. Efficiency is what makes the aviation world go 'round...a union will kill that (most likely) due to the new scheduling rules that will be changed when it comes to the negotiation. This won't happen immediately - contracts take time.

Your new health plan costs more and the company covers less. That sucks. No idea about the pay memo, as it most likely only went to the pilots. As with most things, the pilot memos are sent only to the pilots.

What I do know is that the new CEO was there a few weeks ago to "check the place out" and see what he had on his hands. Everyone was smiles; those that knew better, know that he's scoping out the whole shabang to see if the juice is worth the squeeze.

With the prompt exit of JK, there seems to be an added sigh of relief at the company - especially in Ops. That's a plus - she was the Devil in heels.

That being said, it'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out. I wouldn't be shocked if the GE mentality comes into play with regard to cutting the bleeders from the body and you guys 1) get bought-up by another company 2) get bought-up by a private individual that's always wanted to own a fractional.

There's no way that they'll let ~90 planes go unclaimed, but I also wouldn't be shocked if they take some other measures in the future to stop the bleeding. Cessna has multiple problems on their hands (as shown by the sudden Pelton "retirement")...CA is definitely part of them.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:10 PM
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All knowing? No. Clear minded and not buying into all of the fluff that was ever-present at that company? Absolutely. I have the "luxury" of having an unbiased, untarnished view into a business that's struggling...one that's been a bleeding artery for Cessna for 10+ years. Sales are down at Cessna, Jet Management isn't taking off nearly as fast as they had hoped, and the Optimizer ****ed you all off to the point where you foolishly voted a union into play. Efficiency is what makes the aviation world go 'round...a union will kill that (most likely) due to the new scheduling rules that will be changed when it comes to the negotiation. This won't happen immediately - contracts take time.

Your new health plan costs more and the company covers less. That sucks. No idea about the pay memo, as it most likely only went to the pilots. As with most things, the pilot memos are sent only to the pilots.

What I do know is that the new CEO was there a few weeks ago to "check the place out" and see what he had on his hands. Everyone was smiles; those that knew better, know that he's scoping out the whole shabang to see if the juice is worth the squeeze.

With the prompt exit of JK, there seems to be an added sigh of relief at the company - especially in Ops. That's a plus - she was the Devil in heels.

That being said, it'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out. I wouldn't be shocked if the GE mentality comes into play with regard to cutting the bleeders from the body and you guys 1) get bought-up by another company 2) get bought-up by a private individual that's always wanted to own a fractional.

There's no way that they'll let ~90 planes go unclaimed, but I also wouldn't be shocked if they take some other measures in the future to stop the bleeding. Cessna has multiple problems on their hands (as shown by the sudden Pelton "retirement")...CA is definitely part of them.
Well, at least somebody bought into the over priced Jackson Lewis propaganda.
I'm sure glad the pilots were too smart for that.
Your spiel sounds nearly word for word of their talking points.

Some of what you say may or may not happen, but whichever way it goes is not because of the IBT. If they were going to get rid of a company, the IBT simply is not the reason.
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:04 AM
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Well, at least somebody bought into the over priced Jackson Lewis propaganda.
I'm sure glad the pilots were too smart for that.
Your spiel sounds nearly word for word of their talking points.

Some of what you say may or may not happen, but whichever way it goes is not because of the IBT. If they were going to get rid of a company, the IBT simply is not the reason.
How am I buying into their propoganda? I just explained to you why they're in such a bad place. I never bought into that crap that they were selling. In fact, getting laid off during the exodus was the best career blessing I've had thus far. Everyone knows that it's been awful for years over there...whether it's 1% or 100% of the problem, the IBT will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

You really swear that I'm management - that's hilarious and sad at the same time. I'll be happy to PM you my information so that you can see for yourself. Not sure if my PM's work with my low post count, but let me know.
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:19 AM
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I'll be happy to PM you my information so that you can see for yourself. Not sure if my PM's work with my low post count, but let me know.

Sounds a lot like KB.
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