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BoilerUP 07-14-2011 06:52 AM

IBT representation of pilots isn't going to "break the back" of Textron, Cessna Aircraft Company, or CitationAir; suggestions of such are nonsense.

ICT has been unionized for YEARS...collective bargaining ain't uncharted territory for Cessna.

Kritchlow 07-14-2011 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by SevereClear (Post 1022382)
How am I buying into their propoganda? I just explained to you why they're in such a bad place. I never bought into that crap that they were selling. In fact, getting laid off during the exodus was the best career blessing I've had thus far. Everyone knows that it's been awful for years over there...whether it's 1% or 100% of the problem, the IBT will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

You really swear that I'm management - that's hilarious and sad at the same time. I'll be happy to PM you my information so that you can see for yourself. Not sure if my PM's work with my low post count, but let me know.

I would like a pm, butvi didn't claim you were management. Rather it sounds like you're buying into managements scare tactics. Remember, when you have a contact on the inside, you get all information filtered through one persons view and knowledge of things.

SevereClear 07-14-2011 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Kritchlow (Post 1022431)
I would like a pm, butvi didn't claim you were management. Rather it sounds like you're buying into managements scare tactics. Remember, when you have a contact on the inside, you get all information filtered through one persons view and knowledge of things.

PM sent. Not sure if it worked.

SevereClear 09-13-2011 11:22 AM

Given the recent announcement today, looks like I wasn't too far off as to what's happening/going to be happening over there.

BoilerUP 09-13-2011 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by SevereClear (Post 1053738)
Given the recent announcement today, looks like I wasn't too far off as to what's happening/going to be happening over there.

What announcement would that be?

Gators 09-13-2011 09:05 PM

....whats going on at CA??

SevereClear 09-14-2011 06:18 AM

Major re-organization in upper management, lots of high-ups are out including SO, and I'm positive that there will be more cuts/re-org coming at the "mothership."

Pure Speculation:

If I were a betting man, I'd predict a consolidation to Wichita for operations with a fresh batch of folks...Cessna most likely won't cover relocation for most folks (except the few that need to come with them to train newbies, etc).

Cessna is in bigger trouble than they're leading-on. It'll be interesting to watch.

Kritchlow 09-14-2011 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by SevereClear (Post 1053738)
Given the recent announcement today, looks like I wasn't too far off as to what's happening/going to be happening over there.

With all due respect, I don't think you were close at all. To me you came across as implying the union would cause the company to fold. There is simply zero evidence, or even a hint of suggestion that is the case.
With Cessna acquiring more of us over the years, one could certainly see that one day we would be more or less merged. This was likely to happen regardless of the union vote outcome.
In addition, SO stated a couple times in his letter that there are NO plans to leave Greenwich (as always that's subject to change).

9999 09-15-2011 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Kritchlow (Post 1054461)
With all due respect, I don't think you were close at all. To me you came across as implying the union would cause the company to fold. There is simply zero evidence, or even a hint of suggestion that is the case.
With Cessna acquiring more of us over the years, one could certainly see that one day we would be more or less merged. This was likely to happen regardless of the union vote outcome.
In addition, SO stated a couple times in his letter that there are NO plans to leave Greenwich (as always that's subject to change).

When you consider how close the vote to unionize was and that management is not on board with it, you clearly have a majority of people working for CA that do not want a union. This in itself is enough for folks to believe the company could fold and restructure without the union folks. That is how it looks to me and others with friends or family members working there. It will be interesting to watch. I believe this union vote is going to be the straw that broke the camels back at CA. Just my observation.

BoilerUP 09-15-2011 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by 9999 (Post 1054824)
When you consider how close the vote to unionize was and that management is not on board with it, you clearly have a majority of people working for CA that do not want a union.

Wait, what?

How did the union get elected if a majority of CitationAir pilots "did not want a union"?


This in itself is enough for folks to believe the company could fold and restructure without the union folks.
That's little more than fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Textron ain't going to close down their company and dump a whole bunch more fairly new used airframes onto the market, when Cessna is already having enough trouble selling factory new airframes as-is.

Textron also wouldn't go through all the expense & legal wrangling of shutting down then reopening under a new moniker, just to bust a pilot union.

A pilot union isn't going to financially break CitationAir, Cessna, or Textron...the suggestion of such is frankly ludicrous.


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