Kritchlow

I know at least some management pilots were on board with the union. Of course, they couldn't openly say so.

How would this be possible? The vote was private and they don't know exactly who voted for what.

If such a thing ever did happen, that would shine a bright light on exactly why a union was needed in the first place.

While I respect your opinion, it is totally a union busting tactic to suggest that a union will cause the company to fold. I mean, we haven't even negotiated a single benefit as of yet. The only company money spent on the union thus far has been on the union busting law firm before the vote.

9999

How is that union working for Netjets these days? I have a lot of friends there, still working and furloughed. You don't hear much about them on here anymore. The bravado is all gone. Do you know why? Why are people preparing to jump ship? The company is sinking just like the Titantic. You remind me of those band players in the movie the Titantic that continued to play their music as the ship sunk to the bottom of the ocean....with them on board. Enjoy my friend. Hope it works out for you and my friends involved. They have jobs with me when it happens. Who are you going to be working for?

9999

The rudder of the CA ship fell off yesterday. What course will they travel now?

DWS1

The Union has absolutely nothing to do with why NJA is shrinking.

Kritchlow

Oh brother.. More fear mongering.

What would you suggest... Mass hysteria and panic?

BoilerUP

Yeah, I think it was the airplane sales ponzi scheme falling apart that is causing their issues...

GlasssPilot

Technically they didn't play AS the ship sank to the bottom. I suppose you could argue they played for a portion of the time the ship sank. Perhaps even the longer portion measured by time. But as to the distance the ship sank they played for an insignificant amount of sinking.

The ship lies in 12,600 feet of water. (Source) It was only 175 feet tall. (Source)

So, even if the band was playing atop the tallest mast...at the tippy top...then they sank at most 175 feet before they stopped playing as I would suppose they must have stopped once they hit the water. In fact, I'd wager, they only "sank" about 50 of those feet before they got wet.

Even if you double that to 100 feet they sank LESS than 1% (.7937%) of the way whilst playing their instruments...


Thank you all for traveling down my rabbit hole of pointless conclusions.


fly safe

Kritchlow

My point is that companies restructure all the time, especially when a new CEO comes in. Cessna got a new CEO, and he folded a wholly owned subsidiary (CitationAir) into Cessna. We are now one of five segments of Cessna. Of course when that happens there isn't a need for many duplicate management jobs, thus some personnel are let go. The CEO is quite often one of the sacrificial lambs.
Coincidentally, the changing of the guard at Cessna happened at the same time as the passage of the union vote.

Make whatever you want out of that. I'm just fine with it and will sleep well.

SevereClear

While I admire your optimism and wish you the best (seriously), I highly suggest seeking out a new job before 350+ other guys are out there in an already saturated market.

Cessna is in deep trouble.

Kritchlow

Well, as far as I know they have had one Q of losing money in the past bunch of years, and they were not alone. The future for Cessna isn't blinding, but it is certainly bright enough to stay in business.

Regardless, CA voting in the IBT certainly has not changed Cessna's financial outlook. This should be a separate thread IMO.