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Old 11-25-2011, 10:00 AM
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You said that upgrades are based on company needs and performance.
How is performance quantified?

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Old 11-25-2011, 11:22 AM
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Performance is measured by peer evaluation. Once the SIC has 5 recommendations from senior captains for upgrade, the candidate goes before an upgrade review board for final evaluation. The review board is knowledge/situational based and covers all aspects of the operation. There is no sim or flight eval required for upgrade.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:26 PM
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If you have an internal rec, consider yourself fortunate! Good luck!
I consider myself very fortunate, and thank you.

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Old 11-27-2011, 03:32 PM
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Fortunate you are yes! I have a good friend who is good friends with management guy there, and my friend worte me a letter, but XO wouldnt take it because my friend is not an online guy! It hurts. I am dying for a call from XO. I'm having a real hard time meeting guys. How often do XO guys fly through Kansas City? I'd love to sit and talk with some line guys for a while! I'm considering leaving the airlines to go work ramp again at MKC just to talk with the guys! Any other suggestions?
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Old 11-28-2011, 06:28 AM
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How does line flying work at XO? Do the captains only fly the 'live' legs and the SIC's fly the empties?
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Old 11-28-2011, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Flyin View Post
How does line flying work at XO? Do the captains only fly the 'live' legs and the SIC's fly the empties?
When flying with experienced SIC's, I switch every other day flying. Some guys do every other leg... New SIC can only fly empty legs til signed off basically.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:42 PM
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When flying with experienced SIC's, I switch every other day flying. Some guys do every other leg... New SIC can only fly empty legs til signed off basically.
Interesting... So you don't let newer SICs fly?? Maybe I'm reading that incorrectly.
I let my SIC fly on leg 1 after IOE (observing operational limitations). That said, I don't fly for XO. I just find that to be an odd policy. All of our SICs are qualified to fly the airplane.
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:31 AM
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You are reading that incorrectly
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Old 11-29-2011, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kritchlow View Post
Interesting... So you don't let newer SICs fly?? Maybe I'm reading that incorrectly.
That's not what he's saying.

co-pilots start off only flying the empty legs, at the captains discretion. We require 100 hours in type to be PF into airports like SMO or ASE. Once the co-pilot advances beyond IOE, they can fly without restriction, but still from the right seat. Once co-pilots are on deck for upgrade, they start flying from the left seat if paired up with an IOE/Standards captain.

We have a system in place that provides visibility to the Crew Resources people so they can easily see who needs to be paired up with an IOE captain or who can be paired up with a newly upgraded captain. We aren't going to pair up a new-hire with someone who just upgraded into their first PIC role. For the most part, co-pilots fly from the right seat. But as they get closer upgrade, they'll start flying more from the left seat.

Whether you fly every other leg, every other 2 legs, or every other day is up to the crew to decide. I'm with FalconFlyer and typically fly every other day. Switching every other leg is almost always going to result in one guy flying all the short repo legs and the other guy flying all the long occupied legs, and I prefer a little variety.
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:24 AM
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Wow! Thats great! FO's closer to upgrade get to sit left seat? That's fantastic! It would seem to be quite refreshing. This right seat business is really getting old pretty fast, especially at a company where the airplane is operated 90% Captain dependant.
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