Xojet
08-01-2018, 06:44 AM
#1322
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,939
[QUOTE=Mr Rumbold;2646477]
XO considers PIC to be time as sole manipulator...not as signing for the aircraft.
Originally Posted by multipilot
Times to upgrade are:
3,500 hours total
1,500 PIC
1,500 Multiengine
1,500 Turbine
150 PIC in Type
^ how do you get 150 PIC in type without upgrading?!
3,500 hours total
1,500 PIC
1,500 Multiengine
1,500 Turbine
150 PIC in Type
^ how do you get 150 PIC in type without upgrading?!
XO considers PIC to be time as sole manipulator...not as signing for the aircraft.
08-02-2018, 06:35 AM
#1323
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 15
[QUOTE=Smooth at FL450;2646529]
XO considers PIC to be time as sole manipulator...not as signing for the aircraft.
Just to make sure I understand you corretcly, even though the company has me classifeied as a SIC (PIC-type), I am still eligible to log PIC time on all legs when operating as the sole manipulator, correct?
So for instance, if I only have 400hrs- PIC, my right seat time operating as the sole manipulator will count towards the necessary 1,500hrs to upgrade?
Thanks,
Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
XO considers PIC to be time as sole manipulator...not as signing for the aircraft.
So for instance, if I only have 400hrs- PIC, my right seat time operating as the sole manipulator will count towards the necessary 1,500hrs to upgrade?
Thanks,
08-02-2018, 06:54 AM
#1324
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CE-750
Posts: 9
08-02-2018, 07:11 AM
#1325
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,939
[QUOTE=TrustG2004;2647510]
Just to make sure I understand you corretcly, even though the company has me classifeied as a SIC (PIC-type), I am still eligible to log PIC time on all legs when operating as the sole manipulator, correct?
So for instance, if I only have 400hrs- PIC, my right seat time operating as the sole manipulator will count towards the necessary 1,500hrs to upgrade?
Thanks,
Yes. But that doesn't mean that any 121 carrier will care about that time, so log it separately if you have any aspirations.
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Just to make sure I understand you corretcly, even though the company has me classifeied as a SIC (PIC-type), I am still eligible to log PIC time on all legs when operating as the sole manipulator, correct?
So for instance, if I only have 400hrs- PIC, my right seat time operating as the sole manipulator will count towards the necessary 1,500hrs to upgrade?
Thanks,
Yes. But that doesn't mean that any 121 carrier will care about that time, so log it separately if you have any aspirations.
08-02-2018, 12:39 PM
#1326
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by Learflyer
Yes on DRO. FLG is a no-go. We have a few peeps who live there that must commute to PHX and they all work a double.
08-02-2018, 06:28 PM
#1327
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 778
[QUOTE=Mr Rumbold;2646477]
The Part 61.51 Defition of logging PIC time is time as sole manipulator so long as you are certificated and typed. Technically, you can log PIC time as an FO in a 737 if you are typed and sole manipulator. On the other hand, a person who holds an ATP, appropriate type rating, and is the assigned acting PIC to that airplane, i.e. the captain, can log PIC time the whole time the captain is the acting PIC regardless of whether or not he/she is the pilot flying.
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
Originally Posted by multipilot
Times to upgrade are:
3,500 hours total
1,500 PIC
1,500 Multiengine
1,500 Turbine
150 PIC in Type
^ how do you get 150 PIC in type without upgrading?!
3,500 hours total
1,500 PIC
1,500 Multiengine
1,500 Turbine
150 PIC in Type
^ how do you get 150 PIC in type without upgrading?!
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
08-02-2018, 11:05 PM
#1328
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 734
[QUOTE=multipilot;2647958]
The Part 61.51 Defition of logging PIC time is time as sole manipulator so long as you are certificated and typed. Technically, you can log PIC time as an FO in a 737 if you are typed and sole manipulator. On the other hand, a person who holds an ATP, appropriate type rating, and is the assigned acting PIC to that airplane, i.e. the captain, can log PIC time the whole time the captain is the acting PIC regardless of whether or not he/she is the pilot flying.
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
Good point. Yet at when I’m sleeping in my first class seat and or my crew bunk and two FO’s are up front. I’m I’m still logging widebody PIC time because I signed for the airplane and there can only be one PIC in the 121 world.
But if it makes you feel better I haven’t filled out my log book since 1991.
Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
The Part 61.51 Defition of logging PIC time is time as sole manipulator so long as you are certificated and typed. Technically, you can log PIC time as an FO in a 737 if you are typed and sole manipulator. On the other hand, a person who holds an ATP, appropriate type rating, and is the assigned acting PIC to that airplane, i.e. the captain, can log PIC time the whole time the captain is the acting PIC regardless of whether or not he/she is the pilot flying.
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
But if it makes you feel better I haven’t filled out my log book since 1991.
08-03-2018, 03:49 AM
#1329
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,383
Originally Posted by 100LL
What makes DRO special?? They are just as small as FLG and not to mention other airports located around the country that may be larger with more flights yet XO jet won't touch those applicants.
08-03-2018, 06:48 AM
#1330
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by Learflyer
I don't know. That's the frustrating part. There's also a guy that is allowed to base in Montrose. But he's been here forever and is grandfathered in. To Xojet, ALB was a no-no base while PNS was alright. All has to do with the price of airline tix. Sometimes on a case-by-case basis, they'll allow certain bases to be used. I've got a feeling they may have to home base again (allow ANY airport) as the airline retirements continue to happen.
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