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Old 06-11-2018, 11:44 AM
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We enjoy a way better quality of life on the road than most other fractionals. I do not have to eat left over catering or rely on crappy crew meals, instead we usually find the best steakhouses or seafood restaurants in the local area and head there with a company provided rental car. We will never get airline pay or benefits, but plenty of folks enjoy the quality of life here while making a comfortable living.
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Old 06-11-2018, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperGuy69 View Post
The XOJET website mentions pilots can take on leadership positions such as Safety Officer, Recruiting Officer, Standards Officer, and Standards/Check Captains.

What is involved with these additional duties, and how much extra time/work is involved? When are you eligible to put in for one? Do you have to be a captain? Can you work multiple jobs at the same time?

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After a year or so I would say you could interview for Safety Officer, Recruiting Officer, Standards Officer once people get to know you. The Standards Captain and Check Airman positions require you to be a Captain. To be a Check Airman you must be a Standards Captain. You have to interview internally for all the positions. Naturally there is extra work involved in each position but nothing out of control. Standards CA get 12k extra. In addition, 90 a day during IOE/COE. Check Airman is 18k extra. 12k for being a Standards CA and another 6k for the Check pilot position. There are many other non-paying positions as well. As a Standards CA you will be required to work as a Duty Officer on two of your days off a month.
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Onetaco View Post
After a year or so I would say you could interview for Safety Officer, Recruiting Officer, Standards Officer once people get to know you. The Standards Captain and Check Airman positions require you to be a Captain. To be a Check Airman you must be a Standards Captain. You have to interview internally for all the positions. Naturally there is extra work involved in each position but nothing out of control. Standards CA get 12k extra. In addition, 90 a day during IOE/COE. Check Airman is 18k extra. 12k for being a Standards CA and another 6k for the Check pilot position. There are many other non-paying positions as well. As a Standards CA you will be required to work as a Duty Officer on two of your days off a month.
Just curious if you're on Flex schedules one 8/6 other 15/13 or mixture and have that all year? Thanks
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:48 AM
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Default Standard duty day?

In your typical 8 day rotation, how many hours are you working(not at hotel)? Are you working 12-14 hour days all week?
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nkweb View Post
In your typical 8 day rotation, how many hours are you working(not at hotel)? Are you working 12-14 hour days all week?


As you can probably imagine, in this business there isn't a typical day. To try and answer your question though there are long days here. Lots of them! Often a question that is asked in the interview is if you are OK working long days. So the company is very up front about it. With that said, it's not that every day is a very long day. I'd say on an 8 day rotation you might do 3 or 4 days over 12 hours away from the hotel. It's kinda luck of the draw. Some rotations are pretty laid back and some are rough. Go home day is typically pretty long, sometimes 16+ hours. They try not to do that, but sometimes it's what the business calls for. If you expect that, it's often nice when you wake up on go home day and just airline home with a pretty short day. All in all, long days aren't fun and they do happen, but there are short days as well.

You are considered on duty for 14 hours every day. Sometimes they will cut you loose under the 14 hours to allow for a decent rest before a longer taking the next day.

It's also a small enough company still that if you are getting beat up on the road, you just speak up and they do what they can to lighten your workload.


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Old 06-12-2018, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog View Post
As you can probably imagine, in this business there isn't a typical day. To try and answer your question though there are long days here. Lots of them! Often a question that is asked in the interview is if you are OK working long days. So the company is very up front about it. With that said, it's not that every day is a very long day. I'd say on an 8 day rotation you might do 3 or 4 days over 12 hours away from the hotel. It's kinda luck of the draw. Some rotations are pretty laid back and some are rough. Go home day is typically pretty long, sometimes 16+ hours. They try not to do that, but sometimes it's what the business calls for. If you expect that, it's often nice when you wake up on go home day and just airline home with a pretty short day. All in all, long days aren't fun and they do happen, but there are short days as well.

You are considered on duty for 14 hours every day. Sometimes they will cut you loose under the 14 hours to allow for a decent rest before a longer taking the next day.

It's also a small enough company still that if you are getting beat up on the road, you just speak up and they do what they can to lighten your workload.


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Thanks for the reply!

I get that there are a lot of long days in aviation, but sounds like you do get some down time during a rotation to catch up on rest. I'm very interested in this job and trying to learn more. I doubt I could physically handle 12-14 hour days 8 days straight, so just want to make sure that is not the norm.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nkweb View Post
Thanks for the reply!

I get that there are a lot of long days in aviation, but sounds like you do get some down time during a rotation to catch up on rest. I'm very interested in this job and trying to learn more. I doubt I could physically handle 12-14 hour days 8 days straight, so just want to make sure that is not the norm.
As mentioned earlier, no normal days here, but as I sit waiting for my end of rotation flight home I have some time to show you my week.
6-5: Duty on 0855 MDT UAL to plane 0+55 flying, duty off 2100 CDT 11+05 duty day.
6-6 On 1200 CDT 2 legs 2+34 off 2304 MDT 12+04 duty
6-7 On 1200 MDT 1 leg 3+31off 2000 EDT 8+00 duty
6-8 On 1000 EDT 2 legs 4+47 off 1900 MDT 11+00 duty
6-9 On 0913 MDT 3 legs 5+28 off 2115 EDT 10+02 duty
6-10 On 1100 EDT 3 legs 4+21 off 1827 EDT 7+27 duty
6-11 On 0700 EDT 1 leg 5+23 off 1800 PDT. 14 hour duty. We were on the ground at 1017 PDT, then sat reserve at the hotel until 1800PDT.
6-12 1050 PDT SWA flight home, end and 1415 MDT.
I hope this helps.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nkweb View Post
Thanks for the reply!

I get that there are a lot of long days in aviation, but sounds like you do get some down time during a rotation to catch up on rest. I'm very interested in this job and trying to learn more. I doubt I could physically handle 12-14 hour days 8 days straight, so just want to make sure that is not the norm.
Super long days for 8 days straight is not the norm, but it does happen. There is usually at least one or two easy days somewhere in the rotation. Crew scheduling is responsive to pilots when they advise that they are starting to feel beat up. They will try to get you more rest one way or another. However, if you don’t speak up, nothing will happen.

The schedule load is completely random. Some rotations you get lucky with one or more days sitting standby or babysitting a broken airplane. I just had an extremely easy rotation, with a couple days just sitting. That is rare. Never expect it. I fully expect to get my butt kicked on the next one. And the one after that.

The most important thing about scheduling/QOL while on the road at this company compared to other charter/fractionals: NO AIRPORT STANDBY.

If you’re day has a single 1 hour repo on the schedule, you generally leave your hotel 1 hour before the flight and go straight to another hotel right after the flight. You’re still on standby duty and may get called back out if something pops up, but you’re relaxing in a hotel room rather than sitting in a FBO.

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Old 06-12-2018, 08:28 AM
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Thanks for the great info!
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by nkweb View Post
Thanks for the great info!
I hate sitting in the FBO. Just curious you get trained in the left seat or right seat type. Meaning PIC Type then sit right seat duties then when your number comes transition to full left seat type then IOE on left seat until done? Thanks
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