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Old 10-06-2017, 09:57 AM
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It really isn't the Union. It is that someone got their feelings hurt and now they are spending an inordinate amount of money to try and break the Union. Nevermind that 99 percent of the aviation community is organized or that police, firemen, school teachers etc and most large companies all have a Union or worthwhile contracts to fall back on when management does stupid things. I would say that most flex people would say things are much worse under KR. That is not the union's fault or flex's fault. They were specifically purchased with one goal in mind and that was to break the Union. PERIOD!!!

Otherwise he would have purchased Citationshares with all of their pilots.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:07 AM
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I'm curious for the people currently working for Flexjet, do you anticipate things to get better, worse, or stay about the same with the union, merger etc.?
Depends on what "things" you are talking about. I believe that pay, work rules, benefits and so on will get better with a union. However the atmosphere and culture will be difficult to mend. Management will never accept the union and will fight the pilots at every turn. There will also always be anti-union pilots no matter what. If you're on the other side of the fence it can make trips somewhat uncomfortable at times. Because management and the union seem unable to exist happily together, it adds a layer of stress to the job which some have found too much, and so they have left. If you're able to tune out all that noise you may find it doesn't impact you at all.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:34 AM
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The arbitrator has issued his ruling. Starting pay is just under $51,000. You will be hired into either the Phenom or the Lear 45/75 fleet. The current pay scales will put you on track to earn just under $83,000 in 15 (FIFTEEN) years. There it is in black and white.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:01 PM
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The arbitrator has issued his ruling. Starting pay is just under $51,000. You will be hired into either the Phenom or the Lear 45/75 fleet. The current pay scales will put you on track to earn just under $83,000 in 15 (FIFTEEN) years. There it is in black and white.
Once again, When we tell you that KR does not care about the flight crews, believe us! If he wanted us paid better he would have done it. If you think voting out the union is what will get you a raise, think again.

Piliots aren’t leaving because the Airlines are hiring, Pilots are leaving because of the abhorrent treatment by the company.

Anyone that has the ability to hire on at Netjets or ANYWHERE else should do so. Don’t let the shiny new jets fool you, you will be screwed for the chance to fly one.

Like Dutch1 said. It’s in black and white, and that’s all that counts
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:45 PM
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I’ve got a web interview next week. The past few months of the thread did not look very promising. Anything new coming about? What’s the deal with new aircraft and the Gulfstreams? Do they take forever to get into?
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:51 AM
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I’ve got a web interview next week. The past few months of the thread did not look very promising. Anything new coming about? What’s the deal with new aircraft and the Gulfstreams? Do they take forever to get into?
If they offer you a Gulfstream slot, tell them you want it in writing!
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:27 AM
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Gulfstreams are in a program called International Red Label. This is KR's dream of how a pilot shoot be treated. Merit based upgrades really aren't. You have to prove you fit in with the good ol boys club. Seniority means nothing. You could be a 19 year PIC and be junior to a guy with less than 7 years in. You form a team and you provide continious coverage. You are required to do 2 stby days on your "days off". Also Captains from Options can "transfer" to Flex and basically get stapled to the bottom of their seniority list.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by fooled2x View Post
Gulfstreams are in a program called International Red Label. This is KR's dream of how a pilot shoot be treated. Merit based upgrades really aren't. You have to prove you fit in with the good ol boys club. Seniority means nothing. You could be a 19 year PIC and be junior to a guy with less than 7 years in. You form a team and you provide continious coverage. You are required to do 2 stby days on your "days off". Also Captains from Options can "transfer" to Flex and basically get stapled to the bottom of their seniority list.
A guy I met in sales was talking about the red card thing. I’m assuming not all of Flex is merit based. Which is good in some ways. Working for the airlines is ALL seniority based regardless of how many times you go above and beyond. Could be nice to get rewarded for merit at times. Looks like they are expecting more 650s. Is there any truth to that?
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:09 PM
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Yes, more new planes are being delivered. Merit based at Flex is not really merit based. A CR7 will probably get you into the right seat of a Challenger 300/350. Dangling a G-650 in front of you is the classic bait and switch. 2N Kenn is known as the used car salesman of aviation. Expect 75-80k for the first few years. We are in negotiations and the company is showing how cheap they really are. Don't waist your time here, go to a major or national if you are under 55.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:13 PM
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And with the PBS (preferential bidding system) they currently use, expect to work 3 weekends per month.
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