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03-05-2017, 01:00 PM
#1762
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Originally Posted by CA1900
I think you're greatly misreading things, unfortunately. According to APC's numbers, a second-year Delta MD-88 FO, for example, makes $92K just at minimum 65-hour guarantee. 5th year, just under $118K.
It took me until this year, hitting 11th-year FO at Netjets, to break $100,000. 10th year FO at Delta in a 737 is $139K. Assuming you could get into a widebody by then (very likely), you're talking $165K.
It took me until this year, hitting 11th-year FO at Netjets, to break $100,000. 10th year FO at Delta in a 737 is $139K. Assuming you could get into a widebody by then (very likely), you're talking $165K.
With respect to getting to a widebody. We have 1.5-2 year guys getting WB FO (A330/764) and 717 Captain in NYC/DTW and 88 Captain in NYC/ATL.
03-05-2017, 08:14 PM
#1765
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,378
Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
Lots of folks who don't want airline flying or the commute.
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I can understand the 'no commute' desire 100%.
03-05-2017, 08:16 PM
#1766
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Position: Airplanes
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Originally Posted by 727C47
Woe is us : ), nah, I don't think so.
I do hope the Mrs. is well. Fly safe my friend.
03-05-2017, 11:10 PM
#1767
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Originally Posted by G550Guy
NetJets is an excellent place to go and retire a second time if you are 60+ and just want to fly til you die. My buddy said he had a 77 year old in his sovereign class last month.
If you need to get recurrent again or transition out of the Military it can also be a good move. I would go to NJ over a regional any day, unless I needed TPIC time.
DO NOT GO TO NETJETS IF YOU NEED TURBINE PIC TIME.
That being said.... I wouldn't bank on long term employment OR building a nice retirement as compared to what you can get with a 121 carrier.
With almost 13 years in... I left in Oct. and took the $158,000 in buyout money and went to UPS. To date, we have hired 6 NJ pilots and more are interviewing.
Companies like mine see the value in NetJets pilots because they work their @ss off doing EVERYTHING plus flying the plane. It's also a Part 121 training program which means they are familiar with the books and flows.
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If you need to get recurrent again or transition out of the Military it can also be a good move. I would go to NJ over a regional any day, unless I needed TPIC time.
DO NOT GO TO NETJETS IF YOU NEED TURBINE PIC TIME.
That being said.... I wouldn't bank on long term employment OR building a nice retirement as compared to what you can get with a 121 carrier.
With almost 13 years in... I left in Oct. and took the $158,000 in buyout money and went to UPS. To date, we have hired 6 NJ pilots and more are interviewing.
Companies like mine see the value in NetJets pilots because they work their @ss off doing EVERYTHING plus flying the plane. It's also a Part 121 training program which means they are familiar with the books and flows.
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As for the topic at hand, I have golden handcuffs. Not enough years left to make up the initial pay cut until reaching pay parity. If I were 5 years younger, I might have thought harder about making the move although I never really wanted the airline "life."
If career earnings is the goal and you're a youngster (under 40 is a youngster to me - it's official, I've become my Dad), go to a regional that upgrades quickly, take their bonus check for showing up, fly maximum lines, keep your nose clean and pound the resumes out to the usual suspects. Get to a major and enjoy the ride.
If quality of life is the goal, find a nice, laid-back, 2-3 airplane corporate flight department that flies 250 hours a year and lets you take your golf clubs (you know, a unicorn).
If pain is your goal and you enjoy a routine of 5 legs a day, 12 hour duty days, humping bags, cleaning up after Lovey and Thurston, cramming yourself into a micro-jet cockpit, middle seat airlines 50 times a year, and a box of chocolates every day for 7 days straight, by all means apply to NetJets.
I'm lucky enough to be in a fleet that doesn't get abused...much. The poor bastards in the Phlegm? I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Well, except the Shrub.
03-06-2017, 02:40 PM
#1768
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Posts: 466
Originally Posted by Macjet
Explain 'airline flying'. I've flow 91, 91k, 121, and 135. I can't tell the difference. This is a serious question.
I can understand the 'no commute' desire 100%.
I can understand the 'no commute' desire 100%.
Airline flying is airline flying. As a reserve, flying the bid packet or reserve assignment.
NetJets... flying random and whatever. I got tired of LAX and PHX for months at a time at Brand X... as nice as Culver City was...
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03-06-2017, 02:41 PM
#1769
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
To add to this. These numbers are very low compared to what you can reasonably expect to make at DAL. Pay rate x 1,000 is a good WAG, but is still fairly low.
With respect to getting to a widebody. We have 1.5-2 year guys getting WB FO (A330/764) and 717 Captain in NYC/DTW and 88 Captain in NYC/ATL.
With respect to getting to a widebody. We have 1.5-2 year guys getting WB FO (A330/764) and 717 Captain in NYC/DTW and 88 Captain in NYC/ATL.
Everything ebb and flows... then comes the furloughs and downgrades.
Every time.
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03-06-2017, 03:51 PM
#1770
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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
Everything ebb and flows... then comes the furloughs and downgrades.
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