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03-16-2017, 04:05 PM
#1941
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Position: A320
Posts: 132
Just so there's no confusion to potential applicants...upgrades are certainly not in reach within 2 years except for the most senior (10+yrs) F/Os, but that will amount to 20 total if they're lucky. It may be more important to note that the downgrade language in CBA2015 starts in 2 years. I was at class today, we ain't growing anytime soon. Multiple versions of "we're due for an economic downturn" were said by mgmt. Yes, we are trying to consolidate the fleets and that's a good thing, but please do not apply here expecting to upgrade in the near (or long) term.
*Disclaimer* this is a great job and I fully admit I may be wrong
*Disclaimer* this is a great job and I fully admit I may be wrong
03-16-2017, 06:59 PM
#1943
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: Left
Posts: 1,807
Originally Posted by Jetlife
Ugh, educate yourself a tiny bit before you comment lol, it makes you look extremely uneducated on the subject. Not shocking though, most NetJets pilots live in a bubble. I am SFO based, I am already SFO based, and yes I was hired onto the Virgin side but again, because you are uneducated on the subject, it is becoming Alaska Airlines. 1 payscale, 1 CBA, 1 seniority list. That means 14% company paid 401k. I pay 300 bucks a month for family medical and the benefits are better than NetJets, I will take it. So to recap, I left a dead end, career FO position at a slave driving operation who hates their pilot group for better pay after the first year, better retirement, and better QOL on the road.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
03-16-2017, 07:21 PM
#1944
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 466
Originally Posted by givememywings
Just so there's no confusion to potential applicants...upgrades are certainly not in reach within 2 years except for the most senior (10+yrs) F/Os, but that will amount to 20 total if they're lucky. It may be more important to note that the downgrade language in CBA2015 starts in 2 years. I was at class today, we ain't growing anytime soon. Multiple versions of "we're due for an economic downturn" were said by mgmt. Yes, we are trying to consolidate the fleets and that's a good thing, but please do not apply here expecting to upgrade in the near (or long) term.
*Disclaimer* this is a great job and I fully admit I may be wrong
*Disclaimer* this is a great job and I fully admit I may be wrong
I think you need to read that downgrade language again.
It's complicated and messy and gets everyone a type in the Global.
Won't happen.
03-16-2017, 08:17 PM
#1945
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 132
I dun red it reel goood.
Here is a fact: there is downgrade language in CBA2015 that takes effect in 2 years. Whether or not you think it will happen is irrelevant. It's there and it starts in 2 years. Funny quips aside, it's there. I doubt many junior Captains share your confidence. "We are due for an economic downturn" - MGMT, today.
All facts aside, I hope you're right!
Here is a fact: there is downgrade language in CBA2015 that takes effect in 2 years. Whether or not you think it will happen is irrelevant. It's there and it starts in 2 years. Funny quips aside, it's there. I doubt many junior Captains share your confidence. "We are due for an economic downturn" - MGMT, today.
All facts aside, I hope you're right!
03-16-2017, 10:07 PM
#1947
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 131
A couple things.
First the whole management continuously saying "we are due for a downturn" is funny. Why in the world would management say that to their employees... Let me think... Oh, maybe they are trying to scare people into not leaving. What other purpose does it serve. Just kinda shows you they are scared because those guys don't know if there is gonna be a downturn tomorrow anymore than the weatherman knows if it'll rain in three weeks. Think about that boys before you get sideways on that crap.
Second. As best as I can tell everyone being hired at NetJets is fully qualified for any of the majors and brown and purple. Why on gods green earth would you go there unless you needed a job. And I don't say that because the job sucks but the money sure as heck does compared to the airlines.
I would have to think that one of three things is about to happen (or already is) at NetJets.
1. Hiring standards drop. I.E. experience levels etc.
2. Pay goes up, way up.
3. Or the right seat on Netjets fleet becomes the holding pattern for the majors while they wait for the call (Which it probably already is). Training cost skyrocket.
I hope Netjets gives all their guys a raise and gets it sorted out because I think the place is a pretty good place to work by all accounts. I just don't see how guys with those qualifications wanna make that little money and sit in the right seat of one of those coke cans with wings for 10 years for that kind of money.
But then again what do I know
First the whole management continuously saying "we are due for a downturn" is funny. Why in the world would management say that to their employees... Let me think... Oh, maybe they are trying to scare people into not leaving. What other purpose does it serve. Just kinda shows you they are scared because those guys don't know if there is gonna be a downturn tomorrow anymore than the weatherman knows if it'll rain in three weeks. Think about that boys before you get sideways on that crap.
Second. As best as I can tell everyone being hired at NetJets is fully qualified for any of the majors and brown and purple. Why on gods green earth would you go there unless you needed a job. And I don't say that because the job sucks but the money sure as heck does compared to the airlines.
I would have to think that one of three things is about to happen (or already is) at NetJets.
1. Hiring standards drop. I.E. experience levels etc.
2. Pay goes up, way up.
3. Or the right seat on Netjets fleet becomes the holding pattern for the majors while they wait for the call (Which it probably already is). Training cost skyrocket.
I hope Netjets gives all their guys a raise and gets it sorted out because I think the place is a pretty good place to work by all accounts. I just don't see how guys with those qualifications wanna make that little money and sit in the right seat of one of those coke cans with wings for 10 years for that kind of money.
But then again what do I know
03-17-2017, 01:35 AM
#1949
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 466
Originally Posted by givememywings
I dun red it reel goood.
Here is a fact: there is downgrade language in CBA2015 that takes effect in 2 years. Whether or not you think it will happen is irrelevant. It's there and it starts in 2 years. Funny quips aside, it's there. I doubt many junior Captains share your confidence. "We are due for an economic downturn" - MGMT, today.
All facts aside, I hope you're right!
Here is a fact: there is downgrade language in CBA2015 that takes effect in 2 years. Whether or not you think it will happen is irrelevant. It's there and it starts in 2 years. Funny quips aside, it's there. I doubt many junior Captains share your confidence. "We are due for an economic downturn" - MGMT, today.
All facts aside, I hope you're right!
Many times they've also followed that statement up with... "but we're positioned now as a company that if that were to occur, no furlough would happen".
Y'all hear bits and pieces and it just amazing how the human brain works sometimes from a fixation point of view. Not a dig at all.
2010 era furloughs happened for 3 reasons.
1) owners contracts didn't address mass sellback. No restrictions. That's been addressed to minimize impact.
2) too many jet cards, not enough share Owners. Hansell loved fast cash of jet cards. He was a full rhetard. So glad he's gone.
3) over hiring based on the past of "hire hire hire" mentality. "Fill the jet!"
Besides... there's a little section in the downgrade language regarding providing a type... Any type the downgrade pilot desires. NJA doesn't want Oprah coming out of retirement.
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03-17-2017, 03:31 AM
#1950
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 132
Oprah, Globals, human brains...I don't see anything in there that proved my facts are wrong. Besides, real pilots fly Gulfstreams not Globals.
Yes, they did say the last thing they want to do is furlough. But if they don't furlough and get desperate if the economy starts going ti&$ up again...well, you know what could happen in 2 years, right?
Is it likely to happen? Probably not, hopefully not. But the language is there.
Yes, they did say the last thing they want to do is furlough. But if they don't furlough and get desperate if the economy starts going ti&$ up again...well, you know what could happen in 2 years, right?
Is it likely to happen? Probably not, hopefully not. But the language is there.
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