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Old 03-19-2017, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailaway View Post
Nacho and others,
Safety has never been part of age limits. It was politics in the beginning (Crandal at AA and his buddy at the CAA) and it still is. If safety is your goal, tighten up the 1st class medical. There are some younger guys out there I would not want my family flying with.
WRONG. Expert medical witness after witness testified (Exxon case) in court in favor of the fact that cognitive decline and the risk of sudden incapacitation increase exponentially with age (specially age 60). The idea that this was always a purely political argument is utterly rediculous. Pilots your age cling to this argument because it helps satisfy your agenda of justifying catastrophic risk so you make can money. That's it.

In terms of averages: younger pilots you wouldn't want your family flying with? A few. Elderly pilots you wouldn't want your family flying with? Essentially all of them. Think big picture here old timer. It's no longer safe for you to be here. Get out.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:36 PM
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She's a stitch , isn't she ? Nachomadre are you in the XL ? : )
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:44 PM
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I flew the Phenom with a 75+ pilot and while his stick and rudder skills were top notch, everything else about his skill set was scary bad.
Threat and Error management is the key to safety, with "flying skills" being the last line of defense.
Absolute garbage when it came to SA, FOM calls/standardization, ability to work the box, hear radio transmissions, communicate intelligibly, alertness. He could barely get in and out of the aircraft.

We all know who I'm talking about here. Nice guy, hell of a career, but he should be sitting at a small FBO telling stories about banging Vietnamese hookers when in port and not out on the line.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:47 PM
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75? He has 10 more years in him!!
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO View Post
I flew the Phenom with a 75+ pilot and while his stick and rudder skills were top notch, everything else about his skill set was scary bad.
Threat and Error management is the key to safety, with "flying skills" being the last line of defense.
Absolute garbage when it came to SA, FOM calls/standardization, ability to work the box, hear radio transmissions, communicate intelligibly, alertness. He could barely get in and out of the aircraft.

We all know who I'm talking about here. Nice guy, hell of a career, but he should be sitting at a small FBO telling stories about banging Vietnamese hookers when in port and not out on the line.


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Old 03-20-2017, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailaway View Post
Nacho and others,
Safety has never been part of age limits. It was politics in the beginning (Crandal at AA and his buddy at the CAA) and it still is. If safety is your goal, tighten up the 1st class medical. There are some younger guys out there I would not want my family flying with.
You're right, cognitive decline with advanced age isn't a real thing........
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons View Post
You're right, cognitive decline with advanced age isn't a real thing........
Not to mention general health... One of the dinosaurs I flew with had so many medications with him I nicknamed him Heisenberg. He didn't get the joke because of his age...
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:55 AM
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If you guys are just flying with these guys and covering for their significant shortcomings, you are part of the problem. Folks don't want to be the bad guy or do the work to do the right thing. Excuses abound.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Marko View Post
If you guys are just flying with these guys and covering for their significant shortcomings, you are part of the problem. Folks don't want to be the bad guy or do the work to do the right thing. Excuses abound.
Guilty as charged.
I should have called pro standards. I should have called an ACP.
I should have posted the many many photos of Captainsaurus sleeping in FBOs and in the cockpit. I should probably just put a pillow over their face and end it all.
How many crews make the phone call when they see their partner drinking <12 hours before the next day show? None? <1%?

No one makes those calls because we don't want to deal with the blowback. It's all anonymous until it isn't.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Marko View Post
If you guys are just flying with these guys and covering for their significant shortcomings, you are part of the problem. Folks don't want to be the bad guy or do the work to do the right thing. Excuses abound.
Totally agree. I don't care if it hurts their feelings. Turn them with extreme prejudice. You'll feel a lot worse explaining to someone's relatives that their loved ones are dead now because grandpa really liked the money and you didn't have the sack to turn him in.
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