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Old 12-06-2017, 11:43 AM   #2991
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And management has just told the union to "not spend the money" because standardized lanyards are about to be mandated by the company. Obviously, management is at least a little "perturbed" by the idea.

Pedro and company have vowed legal action via the RLA should the company follow through on their threat.

I'm so glad we're back to US vs. THEM....
We went through the same stuff. Our GOM says company approved lanyard, ALPA gave us a bright orange lanyard, and most of us wore it. The company slapped some wrists and that’s it. The union represents the pilots, so if that is the union lanyard, then that’s what it is.

But that’s a really sorry attempt at a jab. This Canadian aggression tactic NJASAP takes with management hasn’t worked, and still won’t work. Management will fire back and the union will cower, all it will cost the pilots is dues.

Oh and if management wants to make a lanyard mandatory, they gotta change the uniform policy which last time I checked, couldn’t be done without a vote, so the union should be figuring out what they want in return for no peaceful protest lanyards.
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There was already an arbitration award a few years back allowing the union to distribute lanyards of a certain width, color, and print size. The proposed lanyards comply with the award. The company's threat does not.

Passive-aggressive? Perhaps. Embarrassing to the company? Probably. Going to happen? Absolutely.

Fatigue and operational tempo are the biggest problems facing the company right now. The union is attacking the issue from as many angles as possible.

I don't always agree with the union. Seldom, in fact. But I agree on this one.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:11 PM   #2993
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There was already an arbitration award a few years back allowing the union to distribute lanyards of a certain width, color, and print size. The proposed lanyards comply with the award. The company's threat does not.

Passive-aggressive? Perhaps. Embarrassing to the company? Probably. Going to happen? Absolutely.

Fatigue and operational tempo are the biggest problems facing the company right now. The union is attacking the issue from as many angles as possible.

I don't always agree with the union. Seldom, in fact. But I agree on this one.
I think its too subtle if they are trying to really get safety and scheduling practices noticed and changed. Another problem is that a large percentage of pilots say on the road QOL suffers, and along with it safety is compromised, but you know management has the metrics on it. They will gladly pull out how a large percentage has never fatigued, a bunch of guys extend duty days, extend tours etc.

This really would have been best solved during negotiations, because once again Pedro and the union are really pigeon held into just asking management to fix this stuff out of the kindness of their hearts. There was no hope of an IBB and the IBI or whatever it was called couldn't come to fruition simply because nothing impacted the company bad enough for management to give.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:44 PM   #2994
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Pilots should get small "?" stickers and place it at the end of "Safety First"

NetJets is definitely "Safety First? Schedule Second"

An eye roll emoji would also work.
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2016: 14,000 fatigue calls
SCHEDULING IS THE PROBLEM

What about 2017?

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Weren't they trending the highest they have ever been? I know it was concerning those that were watching it. It still must be financially viable to allow massive fatigue call levels than to increase staff and lower duty day averages.
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we'll probably have to wait until 2018 recurrent to see what the CPs say in class.
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Yo Gents, mentoring the son of a family friend, and was wondering if I could get some insight into the operation at NetJets. When I was in college, I was dead set on never going to the airlines and NetJets was my goal (after a few years as a starchecker)...well neither happened as I went off the military and now I'm an airline guy. Figures...

Anyway, I understand the basics of the fractional business but some info on the pilot life would be greatly appreciated. I want to pass some good gouge and not just how awesome the airlines are (right now...).

Bases...I see the list of bases. Are certain jets paired by bases or are the bases just locations they'll allow you to start/end trips? I assume mostly air lining to wherever the jet is located?

Bidding...is it based on everyone in your seat/aircraft in the company or just your base?

Pay...I seem to remember that guys say you can expect to make ~10% over the published rates, does that still hold true?

Schedules...I get the 7/7 but what are the other schedules? Can anyone get them or are they limited/have to bid for them? Are they more like an airline schedule where you bid for particular days off, over the 4 month period?

Any other insight into the operation you think would be pertinent would be appreciated. Thanks guys!
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Tell your young padawan to go into the basement and invent something or bury himself in a computer and create the next big thing in software. Then he can fly himself around for fun....

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Yo Gents, mentoring the son of a family friend, and was wondering if I could get some insight into the operation at NetJets. When I was in college, I was dead set on never going to the airlines and NetJets was my goal (after a few years as a starchecker)...well neither happened as I went off the military and now I'm an airline guy. Figures...

Anyway, I understand the basics of the fractional business but some info on the pilot life would be greatly appreciated. I want to pass some good gouge and not just how awesome the airlines are (right now...).

Bases...I see the list of bases. Are certain jets paired by bases or are the bases just locations they'll allow you to start/end trips? I assume mostly air lining to wherever the jet is located?

(You live in whatever city on the list of 100-ish crew bases floats your boat. You airline to and from the jet.)

Bidding...is it based on everyone in your seat/aircraft in the company or just your base?

(Aircraft assignment bidding and upgrade bidding is company wide. Vacation and schedule bidding are fleet specific.)

Pay...I seem to remember that guys say you can expect to make ~10% over the published rates, does that still hold true?

(Depends on fleet and schedule. I've never done better than 6% over gross until this year. Looks like about 12% just because I worked a lot of holidays.)

Schedules...I get the 7/7 but what are the other schedules? Can anyone get them or are they limited/have to bid for them? Are they more like an airline schedule where you bid for particular days off, over the 4 month period?

(Schedule bidding beyond the 7/7 is a dark art to me...)

Any other insight into the operation you think would be pertinent would be appreciated.

(Run, don't walk, to the regionals and then the majors.)

Thanks guys!
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Tell your young padawan to go into the basement and invent something or bury himself in a computer and create the next big thing in software. Then he can fly himself around for fun....
LOL, I figured that would be one of the responses, however we don't have market cornered on unrealized career expectations. I've already told him to apply to fly for the ANG then go to the airlines (one that he can live in base for both jobs). Our jobs lends itself to having some free time on our hands...in his case, to design apps/programs etc...

Thanks for the words.
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