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Old 01-25-2018, 05:43 PM
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Without NJ actually pushing an age 65 rule with congress as well as meaningful plans to grow (which they don’t have), I’m not sure of a longevity career at NJ for a new hire. If long term is not a goal, using a 135 operator as a stepping stone to get to a major is a risky maneuver for a career. Sucking it up in a regional may pay dividends.

If you are older (50+), can accept a permanent career and pay scale in the right seat, and focus on the positives such as free good healthcare and good quality of life (while at home) then NJ is perfect. If you are young and have dreams of being a CA, making CA pay, and advancing a career, then NJ may not be the best of places (without growth or a law requiring retirements, your upgrade will be indefinite...meaning never). ....side note, you have to be comfortable flying with an aging pilot population and prepare yourself to fly with someone in their 70s who may make you a bit nervous.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
Thanks for the information guys. BTW, I am all civilian, Corporate and 135, and then 121. I don't want to go where I am not wanted.

I hate to be honest about this, but the over 65 guys are not very welcomed by the younger 10-14 year SIC pilots.

I was with another over 65 recently. It was one thing after another with him screwing up the box, putting in the wrong waypoints after he told me he checked them, and missing so much more. He never helped clean or stock. When I asked for help, it was the very familiar deer in headlights look.

They play dumb hoping you will tell them to go inside the FBO. My work has doubled this week doing his job and mine.
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Old 01-26-2018, 01:54 AM
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I hate to be honest about this, but the over 65 guys are not very welcomed by the younger 10-14 year SIC pilots.

I was with another over 65 recently. It was one thing after another with him screwing up the box, putting in the wrong waypoints after he told me he checked them, and missing so much more. He never helped clean or stock. When I asked for help, it was the very familiar deer in headlights look.

They play dumb hoping you will tell them to go inside the FBO. My work has doubled this week doing his job and mine.
Yep. Same mistakes every day, too. No learning. Not sure if they even realize it, or if they just don’t care how much they’re dragging the rest of us down. Company needs to ack that it’s a hazard. What’s the union take on this?
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Old 01-26-2018, 05:38 AM
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Yep. Same mistakes every day, too. No learning. Not sure if they even realize it, or if they just don’t care how much they’re dragging the rest of us down. Company needs to ack that it’s a hazard. What’s the union take on this?
The union, as usual, is completely spineless and spends all of its energy tying not to hurt anyone’s feelings...right up until the crash. At that point they’ll act like it’s someone else’s fault because they just had “no idea” that ability level deteriorated with age. Who knew???
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Old 01-26-2018, 04:10 PM
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Alright folks, back on track. No politics.
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Old 01-26-2018, 04:30 PM
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:55 AM
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NJA is now planning to hire 20/month for the indefinite future.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:23 AM
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NJA is now planning to hire 20/month for the indefinite future.
And 25 a month are hoping to quit for the indefinite future...
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Old 01-27-2018, 11:45 AM
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I’ve heard several of my 135/91k friends say an age 65 rule is coming their way. Where is this coming from? Is it supposed to be change in legislation or company policy? It would definitely make netjets a lot more attractive if they had about 400 guys retire and then some consistent movement.
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Old 01-27-2018, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer View Post
I’ve heard several of my 135/91k friends say an age 65 rule is coming their way. Where is this coming from? Is it supposed to be change in legislation or company policy? It would definitely make netjets a lot more attractive if they had about 400 guys retire and then some consistent movement.
Watch the FAA reauthorization bill due to expire in March. That is the most likely pathway.
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