Delta Private Jets
10-29-2014, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
The people who make the hiring decision have never worked for DAL and many have not ever worked at an airline. I don't think most would be able to name a Delta Connection Carrier.
10-29-2014, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
I couldn't begin to tell you his level of involvement in hiring, but the current DO at DPJ was a check airman/CP/VP of Flight Ops at Comair and, to the extent management allowed him to be, a great guy to work for.
10-29-2014, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
I couldn't begin to tell you his level of involvement in hiring, but the current DO at DPJ was a check airman/CP/VP of Flight Ops at Comair and, to the extent management allowed him to be, a great guy to work for.
10-30-2014, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
He does some of the hiring, but the CP and the Director of Safety do too and they have pure 135 backgrounds.
11-12-2014, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Here is some information from a former regional pilot and current DPJ pilot.
The company is owed by Delta Global Services, not Delta Airlines. There is no connection between the two pilot groups. DPJ was originally created by Comair and has gone through several rebrandings and a painful merger with another charter company. Many of the negative stories come from the time of the merger and the previous management team which tried to run a medium size charter company as a small "mom & pop" place. The new management team is focused on investing in the company and growing in size.
The pay is typical for entry-level 135 jobs (low) and there is a 2-year training contract, but the positives are Delta flight benefits, quick upgrades due to growth, home basing, and a 8 on/6 off schedule. There is no flow program with Delta, it is an interview program. After 2 years you get to interview with Delta, but nothing else. They just started the program a few months ago, but I know of at least one pilot who is going to DAL. It will be difficult to judge the success of the program because most of eligible pilot group is older, do not want to go to the airlines, or have already retired from other jobs and are doing this for “fun.”
Many have heard some horror stories from this place, but most are secondhand or from the previous management team. I have heard much worse and recent stories from the regionals than I have from DPJ. That does not mean everything is perfect, but from my experience, it is a step up from the regional world and I enjoy the way I am treated.
The company is owed by Delta Global Services, not Delta Airlines. There is no connection between the two pilot groups. DPJ was originally created by Comair and has gone through several rebrandings and a painful merger with another charter company. Many of the negative stories come from the time of the merger and the previous management team which tried to run a medium size charter company as a small "mom & pop" place. The new management team is focused on investing in the company and growing in size.
The pay is typical for entry-level 135 jobs (low) and there is a 2-year training contract, but the positives are Delta flight benefits, quick upgrades due to growth, home basing, and a 8 on/6 off schedule. There is no flow program with Delta, it is an interview program. After 2 years you get to interview with Delta, but nothing else. They just started the program a few months ago, but I know of at least one pilot who is going to DAL. It will be difficult to judge the success of the program because most of eligible pilot group is older, do not want to go to the airlines, or have already retired from other jobs and are doing this for “fun.”
Many have heard some horror stories from this place, but most are secondhand or from the previous management team. I have heard much worse and recent stories from the regionals than I have from DPJ. That does not mean everything is perfect, but from my experience, it is a step up from the regional world and I enjoy the way I am treated.
11-12-2014, 03:14 PM
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I was reading through the threads here and I had to chime in regarding DPJ. I was referred to the company by a current employee. Was told that I had the position. Then I receive a phone call from the CP who indicated that I had to speak with the Director of Security. To say it wasn't "a real pleasant experience", is an understatement. I spoke with this guy for about 10 minutes and I knew it wasn't a place to even consider.
11-12-2014, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredMD88
That's great to finally hear from someone who isn't so negative about DPJ. I retired from mainline DAL in April and have successfully interviewed with DPJ and am in the hiring pool. I'd like to know more about the training contract, as I thought the CP had told me it was a 1 year contract. Also wondering if they are true to their word about the 8-on, 6-off schedule, or do they abuse it to 22 days-on as some have claimed on this site? In a previous life, I spent 2 years in purgatory (and paid for the training!) with a real bottom feeder, Trans States Airlines, and I sure don't want to ever repeat the experience at my age! Anything you can tell us about the real scoop on flying at DPJ, quality of life, etc would sure be helpful. I missed a call from DPJ this afternoon, which may be an offer of a class date, so I'm scrambling to learn more about the operation before I commit.
Have you ever flown for a charter operation... Because that is the way they will treat you. You are responsible for everything on the road.... You will dislike it probably. When I was there we had a few guys come over from DHL and they didn't last a year. They thought for the amount of BS and hoops you go through the pay was not even close to adequate. All of the furloughed fractional guys have gone back and now they are hiring flight instructors to fill their shoes. They are gonna be on a pay freeze for all of 2015 as well.
11-12-2014, 08:28 PM
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RetiredMD88 - As stated above, this is not the place to spend you golden years. They do adhere to the 8 on 6 off, and thanks to the over-staffing, I have actually gotten home a few days early for the last month. But, if you have spent the last few years of your career at a mainline carrier at the top of the seniority list, you will not like it here. There is no contract and if it is legal, you are expected to fly.
Similar experience with me. The CP solicited me to apply and told me I should come down for a quick interview to get to know each other, but the Director of Security ended up grilling me for 2 hours. By the end of that experience I had almost no interest in accepting the job. Then I remembered he was a former FBI agent and was probably putting on a hard ball act to see how people respond. That is not my style, but I understand his technique. If I hadn't already known other people in the company, I probably would have declined. I think he is great at his actual job, but a little out of touch with current interview procedures.
Originally Posted by starcheckers
Then I receive a phone call from the CP who indicated that I had to speak with the Director of Security. To say it wasn't "a real pleasant experience", is an understatement. I spoke with this guy for about 10 minutes and I knew it wasn't a place to even consider.
11-13-2014, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
RetiredMD88 - As stated above, this is not the place to spend you golden years. They do adhere to the 8 on 6 off, and thanks to the over-staffing, I have actually gotten home a few days early for the last month. But, if you have spent the last few years of your career at a mainline carrier at the top of the seniority list, you will not like it here. There is no contract and if it is legal, you are expected to fly.
Similar experience with me. The CP solicited me to apply and told me I should come down for a quick interview to get to know each other, but the Director of Security ended up grilling me for 2 hours. By the end of that experience I had almost no interest in accepting the job. Then I remembered he was a former FBI agent and was probably putting on a hard ball act to see how people respond. That is not my style, but I understand his technique. If I hadn't already known other people in the company, I probably would have declined. I think he is great at his actual job, but a little out of touch with current interview procedures.
Similar experience with me. The CP solicited me to apply and told me I should come down for a quick interview to get to know each other, but the Director of Security ended up grilling me for 2 hours. By the end of that experience I had almost no interest in accepting the job. Then I remembered he was a former FBI agent and was probably putting on a hard ball act to see how people respond. That is not my style, but I understand his technique. If I hadn't already known other people in the company, I probably would have declined. I think he is great at his actual job, but a little out of touch with current interview procedures.
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