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Old 04-16-2018, 07:52 PM
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I'm thinking about applying to Netjets. I have 4000+ hours of corporate part 91, 3000 multi, 2000 turboprop, and 300 jet...all PIC. How long will it take to make captain?
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Upgrades are currently 15 yrs...

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Old 04-16-2018, 08:28 PM
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Could be 15 years, probably less based on how many are leaving. But don't count on less than 10 years unless something changes.

Upgrades are the worst thing at NJA right now, the good things are basing, fantastic health insurance, and having Berkshire Hathaway backing your company. The company is trying to play nice with the union, time will tell if they're sincere. We do have a great union. No one is even bothering to oppose the current Union Officers in the upcoming election.

A lot of speculation about increases in pay and quality of life issues due to recruiting problems. But our contract isn't amendable for quite a few more years. Company has not come off the 2500 hour requirement like Flops/Flex had to do. In the last 30 days we hired 7 pilots but lost 19. If you interview remember they're more concerned with customer service than how well you can fly.

Edit: I should have mentioned the main reasons for long upgrade times is a young pilot group and the fact we're staffed at around 67% Captains and 33% F/O's. Company wants 60/40 ratio.
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Originally Posted by zyttocs View Post
I'm thinking about applying to Netjets. I have 4000+ hours of corporate part 91, 3000 multi, 2000 turboprop, and 300 jet...all PIC. How long will it take to make captain?
Think of it this way, your qualifications don't matter in making captain. Your seniority does. Upgrade is currently 10-12 years, trending higher. If hired today, plan at least 10-15 years to CA financially. It was too much for me and I left recently for a heavy cargo job. Buyer beware.
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maybe to the inexperienced eye....
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO View Post
maybe to the inexperienced eye....
I believe he said "untrained" to imply that he has the training to see in the future...
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:22 PM
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fantastic health insurance,
Keep telling yourself that enough and maybe even you'll believe it. I have the same insurance now and I pay $3,500 a year for it but I also make $125,000 more now then I did at NJA. And I'm at the seventh worst airline.
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Fantastic = free.
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Fantastic = free.
I'm not saying NetJets is a great place to be. If you're on the south side of 50 you'd be crazy not to jump to an airline with the current pay. I say our medical is fantastic because:

a) it's free
b) no annual deductible to meet before benefits kick in (except pharmacy)
c) copay in network are $20 flat for an office visit, $100 for Urgent Care visit, $150 for ER or Hospital Admission. Your wife has a baby, it's $150 for the wife and $150 for the baby. Period.

I've done both career paths. Major airlines for 15 years, then NetJets for 14 years. I was in my late 40's when starting with NetJets (2005 time frame) and it was a good deal then. Not so much now unless you want to fly for a Fractional Operator. I especially liked not having to commute and living 15 minutes from the FBO. During my airline career I was only based at home for maybe 2 years out of 15. Being a lineholder in base was very, very, nice. Even senior reserve was pretty good.

I'm out on medical and probably not going back. I don't really want to anyway, but if NJA could rein in scheduling and do something like an AM/PM schedule option I wouldn't mind returning. I'm a night owl and have landed the jet as late as 0430 and been fine doing that. Early mornings not so fine thou.

Other than the early shows I really liked NetJets over the airlines. After 14 years it was still very rare NOT to see a new airport on a tour. Airlines were like the Groundhog Day movie. I got to fly into a lot of very interesting places, some very challenging places too. Several times I've RON'd at unattended airports, once even having to dig rocks out of a ditch to use for chocks. And there's also the sometimes interesting pax we carry. I'm a news junkie and once flew a major network anchor who spent a few minutes talking to me. That was very cool, a bigger deal for me than the sports and entertainment people I flew.

By the time things got pretty good at the major airlines it was too late for me to be changing jobs. If someone likes the kind of flying Fractionals do and don't mind the lower pay vs. airlines then it's still a good deal.
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What's the latest with respect to NetJet's legislative effort to have the Age 65 Rule apply to them?

While I can understand their interest in a younger pilot group (I'm 64, definitely 'old'), if they achieved their purported goal, wouldn't they face a severe and immediate pilot shortage?
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