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Old 05-26-2015, 05:49 AM
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It is a shame that regionals are paying so poorly. I overheard a EMB175 crew member saying that she was in a crash pad with mainline folks making twice as much as she. The public shouldn't be sheltered from the issues there. Just because the planes are painted with the Big Brother colors, doesn't mean it is the same carrier. If one questions whether or not they get an equivalent level of safety on a regional, then that is for them to decide. The pay is low and the risk is the same. Truth hurts. These crew members are "paying their dues" to get a better paying job. There are far to many objectionable things being spouted out in public for me to worry that a passenger might learn the truth. I owe it to my family to make the best wage and quality of life I can provide.
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Old 05-26-2015, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
Once AGAIN ,everyone that applied to and is working for tgese carriers is completely by choice. No one forced you to work for those wages.To cry about the salary to passengers is worthless,dosent solve a thing.There have been numerous news reports and newspaper articles about this subject and what did it change?Nothing. Management and the unions are to blame.The regionals and some fractionals were never meant to be 20 year gigs.Suck up the low pay,get,some experience for a few years and move on.
Do I think the pay should be more?Of course.Who dosent?
But to berade your fellow pilots for working there and putting food on their table in front of passengers is nonsense to me and unprofessional. The passengers don't care ,they just want to get where they are going.End of story.
Besides most don't understand what a"regional"pilot is anyway. I hope someone out there gets my point and dosent,keep doing this making us ALL look bad.
Idle thrust,
Man, you once again, restated excellent points. But, you have me a little confused. As to your original point, that a fellow pilot was bad mouthing the regional pay situation, I don't see that as particularly harmful or necessarily unprofessional. In this post you said,
"But to berade your fellow pilots for working there and putting food on their table in front of passengers is nonsense to me and unprofessional."
If, indeed, this guy did in someway insinuate that the folks up front of the very plane he was traveling on were in someway not up to par because they worked at a regional, then I would call that unprofessional.

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Old 05-26-2015, 06:44 AM
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As mentioned earlier, he is on a paid ticket. He can say whatever he wants. He represents Netjets, not an airline.

Your opinion is noted here, and disregarded. I do enjoy the occasional preaching from fellow pilots about professionalism. Always good for a laugh.

It was funny when I was leaving Netjets, a guy I flew with would hint at the passengers that I was doing my last week there. They were shocked I was leaving for a major. They "thought" Netjets was the best paying pilot job. It should be based on the type of work and clients flown. Sadly, it's not.
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:14 AM
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If you care enough to belittle the company and other regionals in front of paying passengers who don't care,then have the gonads to walk into the ceo's office,the union mec's office and tell the same story to them.They are the only ones who can do anything about it....no one else.
Or have the balls to band together and strike.Other than that it's pointless and counterproductive to tell this stuff to passengers who could care less as long as they get where they are going.It just makes us ALL look bad,that's all I'm saying.
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tm602 View Post
I feel no hesitation to share the facts of low pay, etc with fellow passengers. It does you no good to have them all think you make a ton of money and "only work 8 hours a day". They need to see the price paid by YOU, the labor, so that THEY, the passenger, can fly cheap. Good for him for telling the truth. You should be thanking him.
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You are the one who doesn't get it... end of story. The traveling public SHOULD be made aware that United Express, Delta Connection is NOT mainline.
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I have had a lot of discussions with passengers about the business, because they ask. When I tell them the offensively low wages of the regionals, they are stunned because they are always told airline pilots are ballers.

But you are right, pilots are responsible for these crap wages. If they are contractual, they are voted on. If they are voted in, then pilots are responsible.
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Once AGAIN ,everyone that applied to and is working for tgese carriers is completely by choice. No one forced you to work for those wages.
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
Management and the unions are to blame.The regionals and some fractionals were never meant to be 20 year gigs.Suck up the low pay,get,some experience for a few years and move on.
Incredibly wrong. Your "argument" is one step removed from the rationale scabs use when crossing picket lines..."I had to feed my family." Until pilots refuse to take jobs with substandard wages/benefits, the downward spiral will continue.

Stepping stones? Yes. However, just because a job is a stepping stone doesn't mean it has to be compensated at food stamp wages. You're responsible for the lives of 50/70/90 paying passengers. Why doesn't that command high wages? Because you're planning on moving on in 7-10 years? Give me a break.

You might just discover that your regional is your retirement job. Read this carefully:

NOT EVERYONE WILL GET A MAJOR AIRLINE JOB.
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:21 AM
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Amen.



AMEN!



Double Amen!



Right.



Incredibly wrong. Your "argument" is one step removed from the rationale scabs use when crossing picket lines..."I had to feed my family." Until pilots refuse to take jobs with substandard wages/benefits, the downward spiral will continue.

Stepping stones? Yes. However, just because a job is a stepping stone doesn't mean it has to be compensated at food stamp wages. You're responsible for the lives of 50/70/90 paying passengers. Why doesn't that command high wages? Because you're planning on moving on in 7-10 years? Give me a break.

You might just discover that your regional is your retirement job. Read this carefully:

NOT EVERYONE WILL GET A MAJOR AIRLINE JOB.
Completely Agree!
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by F16Driver View Post
Completely Agree!
I agree,not everyone will get a job at the majors or an LLC.For those who end up at a regional for the long run you should be able to make capt. Once that happens in a few years in todays market,you can easily make 100k a year.Not bad for flying an rj no matter how you look at it.
Look guys, I'm in no way defending the regionals,their pay or anything. All I'm saying is,i don't understand why people take a job knowing what it pays, and when the company pays,you exactly what they said they would, now youre,****ed and mad and thinks it's unfair.
If everyone stopped taking those jobs,they would,be forced to do something about the pay.Right now though not many regionals are struggling to fill classes.Some are doing better than others but they are still filling classes.
Believe it or not there are a couple of regionals where 2nd or 3rd year FO pay is over $40.00 per hour. After a couple of years you should be looking at the left seat anyway.
I actually know of several fo's that learned how to work the system and they make over 50k a year.So it can be done.Not everyone can or will do it,some people aren't that motivated but it can be done. So yes, the regionals are meant to be a stepping stone to something better I get it.But once again to down the pilots who fly RJs and talk loudly about how little some,of them make to the general public on a plane or in the boarding area to me is useless.It dosent help or prove a thing.
So yes,when this guy was talking people were shaking their heads,not at what he was saying but at how foolish and idiotic it made him look.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:35 AM
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Regionals are filling classes?!?! Uhhhh. Ok. Sure.

You know why regionals have been upping pay? It's based on need, not in the kindness of their heart. If they were filling classes, why pay people more? Or, incentivize them to stay?

You also think $100k is a lot of money. You will learn soon it is not. Especially compared to the costs associated just to get to THAT point in a career.

You also "assume" that an upgrade will happen. That can also bite you.

You sound new, so, welcome to the industry. You will soon realize there is way more to do with luck and timing than professionalism and skill. Also, seniority rules. Good luck to you, because in the end we are all who**s to this industry.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
I actually know of several fo's that learned how to work the system and they make over 50k a year.So it can be done.
I don't know why you keep bringing that up. That is the same as, "I know a 747 captain that makes $400,000 and only works 10 days a month, so it can be done."

Most of an airline paycheck is out of the pilots control. The staffing of the airline and the amount of flying determines if the airline has 75 hour lines or 100 hour lines. Then your seniority will determine if you can get access to soft time by picking up extra trips (if they are available). When I was at a regional, my paycheck would fluctuate by 60% because of those variables. And to make it worse, the months I was gone from home the most (reserve) resulted in me bringing home the least amount of money.

And on top of a paycheck that is largely out of your control, you are acting like $50,000 a year to fly a jet carrying 50-90 people is a lot of money. The truth is, the pilots you know making that amount of money probably spent several years making far below that. A regional FO should be able to make $50,000 a year at year 1 without having to work on their days off and without having to fly more than 75 hours a month.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:49 PM
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I don't know why you keep bringing that up. That is the same as, "I know a 747 captain that makes $400,000 and only works 10 days a month, so it can be done."

Most of an airline paycheck is out of the pilots control. The staffing of the airline and the amount of flying determines if the airline has 75 hour lines or 100 hour lines. Then your seniority will determine if you can get access to soft time by picking up extra trips (if they are available). When I was at a regional, my paycheck would fluctuate by 60% because of those variables. And to make it worse, the months I was gone from home the most (reserve) resulted in me bringing home the least amount of money.

And on top of a paycheck that is largely out of your control, you are acting like $50,000 a year to fly a jet carrying 50-90 people is a lot of money. The truth is, the pilots you know making that amount of money probably spent several years making far below that. A regional FO should be able to make $50,000 a year at year 1 without having to work on their days off and without having to fly more than 75 hours a month.
I never said it was alot of money.It is however a liveable wage that is attainable ,right now from year one ,once you learn the system. Most companies are understaffed right now and if you know how to use that to your advantage then so be it .Some do,some dont.
Should it be more ?Should first year pay be $75k?? I don't know but it should be more than what it is.I definitely agree.
But once again, my point is to go spewing off about this to passengers is worthless. The fact is,you don't know what every pilot makes and alot of variables goes into that.So just have a little pride and professionalism about yourself and leave the traveling public out of our pay issues.It never has or never will help.
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