Frontier Negotiations Discussion
08-10-2017, 08:06 PM
#221
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Originally Posted by n9810f
I'd be shocked. Spirit has no good image. Frontier has some.
They'll probably just call it Eastern and get it over with🤢
08-10-2017, 08:17 PM
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I do not believe a merger is imminent. The IPO is a big pay day for the investors. As long as both Frontier and Spirit are growing and profitable, there's just no need to go through the painful merger process. I just don't see it as being as inevitable as you all seem to. At least in the short term.
And I really don't think they are going to merge 2 airlines just to delay a pilot contract.
And I really don't think they are going to merge 2 airlines just to delay a pilot contract.
08-10-2017, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
And I really don't think they are going to merge 2 airlines just to delay a pilot contract.
As you've pointed out, they are profitable as stand alone airlines, so they can hang out for a while and throw logs in the road.
If they can stall the negotiations or make them more complicated they will.
The muddier they can make the water during negotiations, the easier it is to abuse the contract that's eventually adopted.
08-11-2017, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
So you vote no... they renegotiate for another year and no retro... just puts more cash in their pockets... there's something going on that's gonna screw us... it's pretty obvious at this point
08-11-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
I think it's just a matter of perspective. I'm closer to the F9 operation so I see all the warts and hear these customers. You're in the same position at Spirit.
They'll probably just call it Eastern and get it over with🤢
They'll probably just call it Eastern and get it over with🤢
08-11-2017, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
Does it really matter what name they decide to keep? The reputation of the (speculative) combined company is going to stink regardless. And the pilots, FAs, rampers, and agents for both companies won't lift a finger to change that reputation until they receive fair pay. Changing our service reputation takes motivated employees going above and beyond their job duties to deliver that "service with a smile"; our management groups definitely have no grasp on this concept.
08-11-2017, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Brody
Yeah it is possible. Interesting possibility would be Frontier acquiring Spirit through a reverse takeover.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover
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08-11-2017, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
Does it really matter what name they decide to keep? The reputation of the (speculative) combined company is going to stink regardless. And the pilots, FAs, rampers, and agents for both companies won't lift a finger to change that reputation until they receive fair pay. Changing our service reputation takes motivated employees going above and beyond their job duties to deliver that "service with a smile"; our management groups definitely have no grasp on this concept.
This isn't 2014. I think we can quit pretending we don't understand this.
Full Retro!
08-11-2017, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Or Spirit acquiring F9 with 51% of Spirit stock.
Puts B.B. In the CEO seat, removes the need to IPO, makes a mess of our equity issue and who knows what it would do to our Section 6.
These guys play for keeps.
Puts B.B. In the CEO seat, removes the need to IPO, makes a mess of our equity issue and who knows what it would do to our Section 6.
These guys play for keeps.
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