Frontier Negotiations Discussion
08-20-2017, 12:05 PM
#232
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Originally Posted by whiskytango
I was wondering if anyone on the forum could speak to why our ask is so low? It seems we're getting left behind by our peers.
are for date-of-signing. I haven't seen anything in regards to the proposed pay increases for years 2, 3, and 4 following DOS. Who knows, the raises in the following years could be substantial. Keep in mind that we're supposedly asking for retro-pay of the DOS rates back to March 31, 2017; and then retro-pay at the LOA67 proposed interim rates from March '16 through March '17. So in actuality we wouldn't be that far behind in straight pay rates. But then we don't have profit sharing (nor do I believe it is part of our ask), so that hurts.
Pick up your phone and call your rep to ask if the negotiating committee is allowing that info to be public. They'll be the best source of info.
08-20-2017, 02:39 PM
#233
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Originally Posted by whiskytango
I was wondering if anyone on the forum could speak to why our ask is so low? It seems we're getting left behind by our peers.
08-20-2017, 09:39 PM
#235
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Originally Posted by sab1250
Also our monthly garuntee is 75 hours. Delta's 65, United 70, American 73. Do the math
08-21-2017, 09:02 AM
#237
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Originally Posted by whiskytango
Yes, uniformed people ask questions, so they get get informed. That's what these forums are for. That's why they call them forums. Now you are "informed".
08-21-2017, 11:17 AM
#238
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Averaging is not how pattern bargaining should work. You leapfrog to the top and then they leapfrog you.
If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so. Also virgin/Alaska seeing a contract in the next month and jetblue and spirit as question marks. I'd say based on pay alone $245 is quite low. And how can you even have room to negotiate off of that?
The far right column is another delay tactic. Money should be all at DOS with inflationary increases after that.
I don't know what you guys are proposing for retirement but a 16% DC is industry standard.
Don't forget the most important section. SCOPE!
If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so. Also virgin/Alaska seeing a contract in the next month and jetblue and spirit as question marks. I'd say based on pay alone $245 is quite low. And how can you even have room to negotiate off of that?
The far right column is another delay tactic. Money should be all at DOS with inflationary increases after that.
I don't know what you guys are proposing for retirement but a 16% DC is industry standard.
Don't forget the most important section. SCOPE!
08-21-2017, 11:33 AM
#239
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Originally Posted by sab1250
Also our monthly garuntee is 75 hours. Delta's 65, United 70, American 73. Do the math
Any pilot at those airlines can get 80 plus hours should they choose to do so.
Sadly, easily over 100 hour a month.
08-21-2017, 11:48 AM
#240
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Originally Posted by motorboatin
WTf...Get your head out of your a$$ and digest the fact that this forum is NOT for discussing privileged internal ALPA business. I'd certainly say that negotiating strategy would qualify as privileged. Would you not?
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