Frontier Negotiations Discussion
#242
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
Averaging is not how pattern bargaining should work. You leapfrog to the top and then they leapfrog you.
If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so. Also virgin/Alaska seeing a contract in the next month and jetblue and spirit as question marks. I'd say based on pay alone $245 is quite low. And how can you even have room to negotiate off of that?
The far right column is another delay tactic. Money should be all at DOS with inflationary increases after that.
I don't know what you guys are proposing for retirement but a 16% DC is industry standard.
Don't forget the most important section. SCOPE!
If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so. Also virgin/Alaska seeing a contract in the next month and jetblue and spirit as question marks. I'd say based on pay alone $245 is quite low. And how can you even have room to negotiate off of that?
The far right column is another delay tactic. Money should be all at DOS with inflationary increases after that.
I don't know what you guys are proposing for retirement but a 16% DC is industry standard.
Don't forget the most important section. SCOPE!
#243
I do agree 245 is low
#244
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
#246
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 16
Yeah that's brilliant...let's keep our $166/hr and vote down $245!! You ****ing people are clueless!!
#248
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
It's a raise no doubt but it's not industry standard. Do you want to be paid the industry standard compensation or continue to be a bottom feeder. This is the best negotiating environment most of us will ever see in our careers. You either get it now or get it never. The contracts signed this round can not be building blocks for the next round and hope to get industry standard then. This is why bottom feeder airlines stay bottom feeders. They take the raise because it's a raise instead of saying enough is enough and demand compensation on par or better than their peers. FYI, peers are same type of aircraft on the same routes. ULCC is how the company makes its money (and could change at any time) it's not a pilot identity
#249
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 24
Qotsaautopilot, not sure if these responders aren't reading your full statements or are replying faster than they can think but you make good points. I just took a 60% cut to join the team and I am ready to take the steps necessary to make this a place no one wants to leave.
#250
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Bus CA
Posts: 658
It's a raise no doubt but it's not industry standard. Do you want to be paid the industry standard compensation or continue to be a bottom feeder. This is the best negotiating environment most of us will ever see in our careers. You either get it now or get it never. The contracts signed this round can not be building blocks for the next round and hope to get industry standard then. This is why bottom feeder airlines stay bottom feeders. They take the raise because it's a raise instead of saying enough is enough and demand compensation on par or better than their peers. FYI, peers are same type of aircraft on the same routes. ULCC is how the company makes its money (and could change at any time) it's not a pilot identity
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