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Old 08-21-2017, 03:37 PM
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Dude, look in the mirror. That image you see is what a troll looks like. All of your comments are negative and unproductive. Go find something else to do.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
Averaging is not how pattern bargaining should work. You leapfrog to the top and then they leapfrog you.

If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so. Also virgin/Alaska seeing a contract in the next month and jetblue and spirit as question marks. I'd say based on pay alone $245 is quite low. And how can you even have room to negotiate off of that?

The far right column is another delay tactic. Money should be all at DOS with inflationary increases after that.

I don't know what you guys are proposing for retirement but a 16% DC is industry standard.

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I don't think $245 is going to pass. I don't know a single captain who'd vote yes on $245. Not to mention a whole lot of other incentives to vote yes as you mentioned.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post

If $245 is the top (12 year I assume) it is low. Especially since AA and UAL open again in the next year or so.
yes you are 100% correct we should wait to see what happens to AA and UA in the 3-5 year with their negotiations, and pro-long our contract. That is such a dumb statement!!

I do agree 245 is low
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yes you are 100% correct we should wait to see what happens to AA and UA in the 3-5 year with their negotiations, and pro-long our contract. That is such a dumb statement!!

I do agree 245 is low
I really don't think that is what he's implying.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:51 PM
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch View Post
I don't think $245 is going to pass. I don't know a single captain who'd vote yes on $245. Not to mention a whole lot of other incentives to vote yes as you mentioned.
Yeah that's brilliant...let's keep our $166/hr and vote down $245!! You ****ing people are clueless!!
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:08 AM
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I'm going to assume our ask will change from what was posted months ago when we are in our 30 day cooling off period getting ready to strike.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:57 AM
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Yeah that's brilliant...let's keep our $166/hr and vote down $245!! You ****ing people are clueless!!
It's a raise no doubt but it's not industry standard. Do you want to be paid the industry standard compensation or continue to be a bottom feeder. This is the best negotiating environment most of us will ever see in our careers. You either get it now or get it never. The contracts signed this round can not be building blocks for the next round and hope to get industry standard then. This is why bottom feeder airlines stay bottom feeders. They take the raise because it's a raise instead of saying enough is enough and demand compensation on par or better than their peers. FYI, peers are same type of aircraft on the same routes. ULCC is how the company makes its money (and could change at any time) it's not a pilot identity
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:46 AM
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Qotsaautopilot, not sure if these responders aren't reading your full statements or are replying faster than they can think but you make good points. I just took a 60% cut to join the team and I am ready to take the steps necessary to make this a place no one wants to leave.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
It's a raise no doubt but it's not industry standard. Do you want to be paid the industry standard compensation or continue to be a bottom feeder. This is the best negotiating environment most of us will ever see in our careers. You either get it now or get it never. The contracts signed this round can not be building blocks for the next round and hope to get industry standard then. This is why bottom feeder airlines stay bottom feeders. They take the raise because it's a raise instead of saying enough is enough and demand compensation on par or better than their peers. FYI, peers are same type of aircraft on the same routes. ULCC is how the company makes its money (and could change at any time) it's not a pilot identity
Just remember our negotiating team is mainly composed of pilots that have the same wants as the rest of this group. I've spoken with very few that differ on their wants for our next contract. They want paid, they want better retirement, and better protections; all in a timely fashion. If their team hasn't released any details on that part of the negotiations strategy, it is for a good reason. These comments are all based on speculation. We're getting close.

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