Frontier Negotiations Discussion
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The ULCC class exists because there is consumer demand for it. it has nothing to do with the pilots, but the customer. If F9 shuts down another one would pop up because the consumer wants a $45 ticket. Its a class that is not going to go away.
I have not said the pay is acceptable once actually. I have agreed with you that they contract is substandard. Where we don't agree is what numbers we should be looking at. For me it is a minimum of the NK contract. All of it.
Like I said, we aren't far off from the same view point here.
I have not said the pay is acceptable once actually. I have agreed with you that they contract is substandard. Where we don't agree is what numbers we should be looking at. For me it is a minimum of the NK contract. All of it.
Like I said, we aren't far off from the same view point here.
That’s a GREAT idea. Why don’t we vote this down, fight for higher pay, F9 sells us then starts their next ULCC project with Skywest or Trans States or whomever. And that ULCC can do it’s job over the next 10-15 years of fighting for its higher wages. Then Indigo sells them, buys another regional, and the cycle continues.
We win because of the obvious. Regional pilot groups win by upgrading to a ULCC (Legacy B scale) and Airbus type ratings. The costumer wins with exanding low cost markets and by keeping costs low on higher capacity aircraft than the typical regional. Indigo wins by undercutting all the Legacies by taking their cheap domestic lift AND makes a ton by paying cheaper labor.
So vote no and start the process. Our time at the B scale is complete.
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This is a very scary thought process. It’s like a weed that needs to be plucked...
So, I guess if there’s a restaurant or dry cleaners or accounting firm or doctors office that caters to a “different” type of client, the workers should accept less pay despite the fact that the owners earn on par with what other owners who don’t cater to the same client? Is there a class of worker in EVERY industry that should be content with earning much less even through the owners and management don’t?
Where do people with this mentality come from? What is your background? Where did you grow up? What did your parents tell you when you were 12 - become an airline pilot but understand that if you get with a good airline but a ULCC owner buys it, you should settle for their below industry average pay?
Did canceling a few vacations do this to you?
So, I guess if there’s a restaurant or dry cleaners or accounting firm or doctors office that caters to a “different” type of client, the workers should accept less pay despite the fact that the owners earn on par with what other owners who don’t cater to the same client? Is there a class of worker in EVERY industry that should be content with earning much less even through the owners and management don’t?
Where do people with this mentality come from? What is your background? Where did you grow up? What did your parents tell you when you were 12 - become an airline pilot but understand that if you get with a good airline but a ULCC owner buys it, you should settle for their below industry average pay?
Did canceling a few vacations do this to you?
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That’s the fallacy of the argument - that we should expect Delta rates. Delta is a fine airline, but their customers aren’t different than Alaska. Yet Delta makes more. I get that not every company pays the same - but MOST if not ALL companies (doctor offices, accounting firms, etc) are much closer in pay to each other than us. We are still well below average. More than 4-5% less. That’s significant. Over the course of years, that greater difference equates to Tens of Thousands of dollars.
I’m not asking for Delalta rates. I don’t think anyone is. But we should’ve started negotiations at those rates so that we meet in the middle (somewhere around industry average).
How do we not know how NEGOTIATIONS work in 2018? We are still well below industry average much less Delta...
I’m not asking for Delalta rates. I don’t think anyone is. But we should’ve started negotiations at those rates so that we meet in the middle (somewhere around industry average).
How do we not know how NEGOTIATIONS work in 2018? We are still well below industry average much less Delta...
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