Frontier Negotiations Discussion
#411
Alaska/Virgin got shafted on scope. The pay and retirement are well within the averages.
There is certainly a lot of risk in going down the road of arbitration. They did however get a deal completed in a timely fashion. Hopefully the lack of scope doesn't come back to bite them. Can you even imagine having someone like Republic flying E190s for you??? Oh wait...
There is certainly a lot of risk in going down the road of arbitration. They did however get a deal completed in a timely fashion. Hopefully the lack of scope doesn't come back to bite them. Can you even imagine having someone like Republic flying E190s for you??? Oh wait...
I am sure every airline can get a horrible contract quickly.
Pay rates mean diddly squat when there is no scope.......work rules are EVERYTHING and pay rates are secondary.
#414
If there was a possibility of voting no to TWICE those numbers I would in a heartbeat with that scope language.
#415
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I sincerely hope you guys get scope and way better rates. Personally though scope has never paid my bills or sent me on vacation. In meantime your 12 year CA is making 161.68 and a 12 year FO at Alaska is making 173.74.
#416
The rest of the contract matters just as much if not more than hourly rates. With the right soft time language you can make several dollars per hour less than the top figure and still take home more.
Last edited by etflies; 11-02-2017 at 08:48 PM.
#417
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what
I hope we are both right but for now why engage a guy that doesn’t even work here when he says things like “scope never paid my bills”? The only thing that’ll educate that kind of short-sightedness is watching your flying go away and not being able to collect on those pay rates.
#418
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Scope is the only thing that will allow you to count on paying your bills or your ability to go on vacation! Without it, your job (and thus your livelihood) can be outsourced tomorrow.
#419
Can’t remember a company who doesn’t like to outsource. Plus it’ll be huge negotiating leverage for management when the time comes. Sucks.
#420
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That outsourcing caused an explosive growth in the regional airlines and pinned hundreds of thousands of aviators at the regional level with grossly substandard wages.
Your 'I've got mine, screw scope' attitude virtually ruined this industry as a lucrative career.
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