Macjet

'Except' it all you want. You're calling fellow pilots 'management' and 'union busting lawyers'. We're just sharing our 'been there done that' experiences.

65 compared to 112. It wasn't a pecker measuring contest it was perspective. In round numbers.

I'll leave and you can keep thinking you're getting Delta plus. I hope you get more than we do but you're going to hurt a lot of fellow pilots by reaching for the stars while missing the moon. You're a tiny airline and need to be a bit more realistic in earnings potential at a place that rosters fewer airframes than Delta currently has in maintenance. Dream big but negotiate in reality.

motorboatin

Don’t sweat dracir. He’s not quite understanding of the reality and he’s part of the, we should get delta just cuz, crowd. Fortunately there’s not many of them and most of us are looking at this thing much more realistically. I’m anticipating a troll response from him in the near future. That’s what that crowd does when they hear something they don’t like.

I like BIG Bus

Sky West has 400+ RJs and Horizon has 62 turbo props and their pay is comparative to each other. Am I missing something there? And seeing as what an expert you are on the industry it shows that you haven't payed any attention at all to this thread. The NC's ask is NO WHERE NEAR DELTA+. Yet, you still keep using that. But thanks for your perspective, it is very enlightening.

dracir1

65 to 112? I was thinking more 1200 to 1800.

I was looking at # or pilots and you’re lookimg at # of planes. That right there is the crux of our differences. I view the size/quality of my company based on my fellow pilots (human resources). You view your company as the metal on the ramp.

Yeah, bruh, go troll somewhere else...but as you leave, remember, it’s pilots that have continued to strive for the most that got the airline industry giving the most. Just think what you’d be making if Delta, United, etc. all settled for lesser years ago.

Missed Appch

Thank you.

dracir1

Yeah, don’t sweat the guy who started the thread in the first with the purpose of unity...regardless, if my opinion is the minority then the vote will take care of itself. That’s the beauty of the whole thing. I will live with whatever is decided.

But I definitely ain’t gonna say to you, Indigo, myself or anyone else “Yeah, I understand. I fly the same planes on the same routes as dudes paid almost twice as much but I should not strive to get as close to their compensation, just cuz. I’ll forget that just a few years ago this company paid pilots the most in the industry but that was the good ol days. We got a new owner now and that means I gotta accept less, cuz they said so and we’re jerks during negotiations.”

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? To accept less than ANY one else doing the same job just because the owner who just bought the company is stingy? Do you think if Indigo bought Delta or Jet Blue or even Allegiant that ANY of those pilots should shrug, start feeling sorry for themselves and accept concessions because of the new owners being in place?

In these financial times and in this air travel environment, accepting LESS is accepting further (just slightly better) concessions!!!!! The one thing I can say about NK is that they got told what the best they would get is. They stepped on their own penises to get told that, but at least they held out that long. We’ve been in negotiations for half a minute and already guys are talking about taking less...

Well, I want an industry leading CONTRACT or as close as we can get. Is that gonna mean Delta wages, SW scope, NK drop rules/trade rules, greater vacation slides, 20% no match retirement, etc? Of course not. But something approaching all of those (read that as IMPROVEMENTS in every area of the contract- some more significant than others) is certainly expected. I don’t expect to give up some thing in one area just to improve another - we were working under concessions and that time is over.


I guess being ex-military has me thinking differently. Perhaps you see that as radical or too lofty. That’s just me. I will forever strive to walk as tall as possible and if that means I get cut off at the ankles, then so be it. But I will NEVER voluntarily walk on my knees.

Macjet

Uhhhh, no. I'm not part of that crowd and trying to explain that your 60 ship airline won't get Delta rates. Ever. You're saying exactly what you quoted me as saying. But you do have me thoroughly confused.

ULLI

Dude just got back to the yellow school bus thread. You are not contributing anything over here.

Mugatu

I haven’t seen a post this funny in a long time. Did you tell your AME you stopped taking your medication??

dracir1

That same 60 jet company had even less jets but was paid more than Delta just a few years back. That EVER you talk about already happened...