Frontier Negotiations Discussion
01-27-2018, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
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65 compared to 112. It wasn't a pecker measuring contest it was perspective.
65 compared to 112. It wasn't a pecker measuring contest it was perspective.
Originally Posted by Macjet
your 60 ship airline won't get Delta rates.
01-27-2018, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary et al
We're SHRINKING! Everybody find a new home because at this rate this place won't be around much longer!!!
01-27-2018, 12:03 PM
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Why are you guys comparing airline size with pay? Wouldn’t comparing profit margin and their ability to pay be a better benchmark?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
01-27-2018, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by doz4dllrs
Why are you guys comparing airline size with pay? Wouldn’t comparing profit margin and their ability to pay be a better benchmark?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
01-27-2018, 12:30 PM
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I agree, our large profit margins mean that frontier can afford to pay us a good contract, but the NMB might view our small size differently.
I know that when the Alaska rates were arbitrated, they said their small size meant they got less pay. Although $251 an hour ain't too shabby.
When I see our 20+% profit margins, I see a company that can afford to pay us, and will likely continue to be able to pay us thru a downturn. We may be able to hold onto our rates when the next downturn and concessions come at other airlines.
I know that when the Alaska rates were arbitrated, they said their small size meant they got less pay. Although $251 an hour ain't too shabby.
When I see our 20+% profit margins, I see a company that can afford to pay us, and will likely continue to be able to pay us thru a downturn. We may be able to hold onto our rates when the next downturn and concessions come at other airlines.
01-28-2018, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by doz4dllrs
Why are you guys comparing airline size with pay? Wouldn’t comparing profit margin and their ability to pay be a better benchmark?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
F9 puts up ~25% margins vs legacies at ~ 10-15%. Who has the ability to afford the better contract?
Ups and Fedex are no where the size of the legacies but they have some of the best contracts. They didn’t negotiate based ob their size but on what their airline could afford to pay and the work they do.
Am I missing something here?
Are you serious with comparing FedExs size to a legacy?
You understand FedEx is a much larger than DELTA?, lol right?
Delta is only an airline, FedEx is a Worldwide POWERHOUSE, same with UPS.....
Market cap alone is 2x the size, lol
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01-28-2018, 06:44 AM
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Good point. I was thing thinking size as in number of pilots or airframes as everybody else has been comparing different airlines on this thread. Comparing market cap of the whole company makes more sense. Why not profit margin?
And nice delivery btw. I love the rudeness of keyboard commandos. If this discussion was happing over a beer or in the crew room I’m sure you wouldn't be so arrogant in person.
And nice delivery btw. I love the rudeness of keyboard commandos. If this discussion was happing over a beer or in the crew room I’m sure you wouldn't be so arrogant in person.
01-28-2018, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by doz4dllrs
Good point. I was thing thinking size as in number of pilots or airframes as everybody else has been comparing different airlines on this thread. Comparing market cap of the whole company makes more sense. Why not profit margin?
And nice delivery btw. I love the rudeness of keyboard commandos. If this discussion was happing over a beer or in the crew room I’m sure you wouldn't be so arrogant in person.
And nice delivery btw. I love the rudeness of keyboard commandos. If this discussion was happing over a beer or in the crew room I’m sure you wouldn't be so arrogant in person.
01-28-2018, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pilot0987
Any truth about having first year pilots on second year pay?
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