June COLA
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 488
Sorry in advance for being so blunt, but that's a terrible idea on many levels from many angles.
If you didn't have 190 posts I'd swear you're a management plant looking to build a case against the group for an illegal work action.
If you're a Frontier pilot, I realize there's a very real chance you actually stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, but contrary to their advertising campaign, the hotel room doesn't really make you smarter or bestow upon you a law degree you clearly don't have.
If you didn't have 190 posts I'd swear you're a management plant looking to build a case against the group for an illegal work action.
If you're a Frontier pilot, I realize there's a very real chance you actually stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, but contrary to their advertising campaign, the hotel room doesn't really make you smarter or bestow upon you a law degree you clearly don't have.
#72
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: Airbus
Posts: 4
I think you guys are fighting the wrong battle. Don't fight Frontier. You cannot win against the RLA. So don't play that rigged game. Instead what do you think would happen if something threatened Indigo's IPO? That is what they are. IPO salesmen. That is where the big money is. They bought you for 100 million and have made enough to pay that back. Now they want that 1-1.5 billion paycheck.
So how to play. What would happen if the news got out that Frontier pilots were so upset with Indigo that a large majority planned a mass resignation a week or two after the IPO launch? That threat alone could kill their IPO plan. Who would invest in a airline without enough pilots to fly the routes? The sweet part is Indigo is NOT under RLA. You are not threatening a job action against Frontier. A fine legal point that. ALPA won't play along. That would negate their reason to exist. But bet your bottom dollar Indigo would shatter their pants thinking a group of dumb pilots beat their plans and their egos. They have spent a long time setting this up. You have the power to sink those plans. I would suspect you would get a contract PDQ. You just have to get enough pilots to make the threat realistic. Good luck on that. Too many sheep these days.
So how to play. What would happen if the news got out that Frontier pilots were so upset with Indigo that a large majority planned a mass resignation a week or two after the IPO launch? That threat alone could kill their IPO plan. Who would invest in a airline without enough pilots to fly the routes? The sweet part is Indigo is NOT under RLA. You are not threatening a job action against Frontier. A fine legal point that. ALPA won't play along. That would negate their reason to exist. But bet your bottom dollar Indigo would shatter their pants thinking a group of dumb pilots beat their plans and their egos. They have spent a long time setting this up. You have the power to sink those plans. I would suspect you would get a contract PDQ. You just have to get enough pilots to make the threat realistic. Good luck on that. Too many sheep these days.
#73
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Prone Supported
Posts: 196
I think you guys are fighting the wrong battle. Don't fight Frontier. You cannot win against the RLA. So don't play that rigged game. Instead what do you think would happen if something threatened Indigo's IPO? That is what they are. IPO salesmen. That is where the big money is. They bought you for 100 million and have made enough to pay that back. Now they want that 1-1.5 billion paycheck.
So how to play. What would happen if the news got out that Frontier pilots were so upset with Indigo that a large majority planned a mass resignation a week or two after the IPO launch? That threat alone could kill their IPO plan. Who would invest in a airline without enough pilots to fly the routes? The sweet part is Indigo is NOT under RLA. You are not threatening a job action against Frontier. A fine legal point that. ALPA won't play along. That would negate their reason to exist. But bet your bottom dollar Indigo would shatter their pants thinking a group of dumb pilots beat their plans and their egos. They have spent a long time setting this up. You have the power to sink those plans. I would suspect you would get a contract PDQ. You just have to get enough pilots to make the threat realistic. Good luck on that. Too many sheep these days.
So how to play. What would happen if the news got out that Frontier pilots were so upset with Indigo that a large majority planned a mass resignation a week or two after the IPO launch? That threat alone could kill their IPO plan. Who would invest in a airline without enough pilots to fly the routes? The sweet part is Indigo is NOT under RLA. You are not threatening a job action against Frontier. A fine legal point that. ALPA won't play along. That would negate their reason to exist. But bet your bottom dollar Indigo would shatter their pants thinking a group of dumb pilots beat their plans and their egos. They have spent a long time setting this up. You have the power to sink those plans. I would suspect you would get a contract PDQ. You just have to get enough pilots to make the threat realistic. Good luck on that. Too many sheep these days.
#76
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 31
Undercutting? Please explain. If you could elaborate on the "correct" application of the work rules I'm more than happy to listen. Just try your best to be internally consistent with your argument. I'd be willing to bet that you "undercut" your coworkers too.
I was at MCO airport heading to Denver when they called for the ONE MCO trip. Otherwise, I've done one VJA out of ORD, one JA out of Denver, and 3 incentivized trips in the last 6 months. "All that time" amounted to 63 hours credit in March. Don't overstate things in an effort to make your case.
I've put in 18 months doing ALPA work, albeit at another airline. How about you? Hopefully no hypocrisy there too.
As for family crisis, you evidently don't have a clue about that. This is just a guess, but I suspect that horses are a much more expensive hobby than a boat.
I was at MCO airport heading to Denver when they called for the ONE MCO trip. Otherwise, I've done one VJA out of ORD, one JA out of Denver, and 3 incentivized trips in the last 6 months. "All that time" amounted to 63 hours credit in March. Don't overstate things in an effort to make your case.
I've put in 18 months doing ALPA work, albeit at another airline. How about you? Hopefully no hypocrisy there too.
As for family crisis, you evidently don't have a clue about that. This is just a guess, but I suspect that horses are a much more expensive hobby than a boat.
#78
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 31
You're right. And the "volumes" spoken is not to turn this into the nasty forum like people have asked. But, if you want a public response calling out your lies and actions...just say so. It would be super easy.
And BTW....I guess, thanks for your union service over 15 yrs ago, at another airline.
And BTW....I guess, thanks for your union service over 15 yrs ago, at another airline.
#79
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 879
As for me, I personally don't think that the senior pilots have that bad a deal - they get first choice of domicile bid, line bid, monthly drop, monthly open time, aggressive reserve, vacation, better value for sick days due to better trips, first shot at VJA's, etc. But you would never see me on here complaining about it, or saying that senior pilots shouldn't take VJA's so that junior pilots can get JA's, or that you should bid reserve more often, or bid crappy vacation weeks, or skip monthly open time occasionally to help out the junior guys.
As I said before, I really think that if you had a cogent case to make, you wouldn't resort to ad hominem attacks.
#80
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 123
I'm debating putting my name in the hat for the upcoming COLA but I am having trouble finding out if I'd be able to continue non-revving/jump seating on OAL carriers. The COLA notice says it's up to the individual reciprocal agreements between us and the OAL, but I can't find find any references in our Jumpseat Reference Guide or on jumpseatinfo.org. Does anyone have any tips or info?
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