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DC7C 08-22-2017 07:54 AM

No side letters!❌❌❌
 
I hear a side letter concerning 117 is about to get signed, anyone wanna explain that? Tell me it ain't so...:confused: better yet, contact your rep and let them know how you feel..

DrJekyll MrHyde 08-22-2017 08:24 AM

Have you been able to find any published sources?

Missed Appch 08-22-2017 09:13 AM

Have you called your rep and actually asked them?

metallifan33 08-25-2017 10:40 AM

What's a side letter?

DC7C 09-29-2017 09:53 PM

A side letter...
 
On 117 has been signed....ughhhh:confused:

DrJekyll MrHyde 09-30-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by DC7C (Post 2438791)
On 117 has been signed....ughhhh:confused:

Once again, do you have any published sources?

Mugatu 09-30-2017 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by DC7C (Post 2438791)
On 117 has been signed....ughhhh:confused:

Not being a jerk, but are you a F9 pilot? We don't call them side letters. Also I don't understand why the angst against a part 117 LOA. Enlighten us.

I like BIG Bus 09-30-2017 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 2438881)
Once again, do you have any published sources?

Negotiations newsletter just sent out recently includes the LOA on FAA117 under subjects covered.

InThisTogether 09-30-2017 07:41 AM

If we are sitting there negioting pay rates that our "peers" have and won't agree to use FAR 117 for our rest rules, we'd look horrible in front of the NMB. Every other airline uses FAR 117 for their rest rules. If we weren't showing any good faith on our end, it wouldn't look good. Plus, we didn't have any rules much more relaxed than FAR 117.

Qotsaautopilot 10-04-2017 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by InThisTogether (Post 2438951)
If we are sitting there negioting pay rates that our "peers" have and won't agree to use FAR 117 for our rest rules, we'd look horrible in front of the NMB. Every other airline uses FAR 117 for their rest rules. If we weren't showing any good faith on our end, it wouldn't look good. Plus, we didn't have any rules much more relaxed than FAR 117.

You don't agree to it unless it's part of a fully ratified CBA. If you signed an loa today giving them more ease to schedule you without the rest of the contract in hand you gave away leverage.

CantStayAway 10-04-2017 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2441322)
You don't agree to it unless it's part of a fully ratified CBA. If you signed an loa today giving them more ease to schedule you without the rest of the contract in hand you gave away leverage.

While I understand your sentiment, the only leverage we have as a pilot group is an eventual release by the NMB. Until then this is just the company playing games with us. I'm not saying that giving an LOA over FAR 117 was good, but if it really did buy us more favor from the mediator then it actually got us closer to exercising the most leverage we'll ever have.

fcoolaiddrinker 10-05-2017 09:28 AM

Also, some of the language that we "gave up" alpa legal felt would have never won at arbitration and I agree. Specially the ability to make yourself illegal per 117 with a phone call before an rdp block of days. To expect a neutral arbitrator to side with language that was contrary to 117 in an arbitration hearing could have potentially taken away credibility and leverage for even taking it that far.


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