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Old 11-19-2018, 02:48 PM
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So when and how does a turd morph into a flower?
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:22 PM
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So when and how does a turd morph into a flower?
Animal manure, such as chicken manure and cow dung, has been used for centuries as a fertilizer for farming. It can improve the soil structure (aggregation) so that the soil holds more nutrients and water, and therefore becomes more fertile.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:30 PM
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I think this TA was planted using indigo night soil.
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But the TA seed is a nasty thistle. .....
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:54 AM
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Generally accepted reduction in rates? That is the first I ever heard of it. And how can something that affects seniority hurt the whole Pilot group? If it affects some guys negatively it affects other guys positively.

What PBS does do is increase the efficiency of the Pilot group by not allowing/reducing pre-month conflicts. This efficiency issue can be huge if you switch to PBS while guys are furloughed like some airlines have done or not even noticeable if you switch when you are hiring or undermanned.

I will say most guys who fly under PBS seem to prefer it over LOT bidding.

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You're speaking from the position of a DAL pilot. Your experience with PBS is completely irrelevant. You work for a company that cares about their image, their customers, and dare I say it: to some large degree, their pilots. You also have a union that will move heaven and earth to make you, keep you happy. The reasons for this are too obvious to need mentioning.

I went from years of line bidding to years of PBS at a bad company. Negotiated away in a sub-par section 6, which ALPA lauded as the next best thing to sliced bread. When we switched, a living nightmare unfolded. What little quality of life that could be had vanished. Senior people even suffered under it a they were mercilessly unstacked.

You cannot pretend to know from your Ivory Tower what PBS will be like under Indigo Private Equity.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:28 AM
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I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation of why the 180 and PBS is now better than sliced bread....
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:50 AM
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“A reasonable explanation”? For why impulsive greedy self centered Sheeples in DEN want what they want, not what is best for the group?

Just read a few pages of these posts, we are all familiar with the Yes pack. Of course they have not seen a single page of the AIP, but greed is a pretty base emotion. The numbers in the 11/9/2018 email was all they needed to hear.

I don’t think that there is a reasonable explanation of the Yes crowd rushing to side with BB & BF after months of canx’d VAC, arbitrary section 13 hearings, and proby firings.

But there is a word. Greed. Hardly new or complex.

Greed.

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“A reasonable explanation”? For why impulsive greedy self centered Sheeples in DEN want what they want, not what is best for the group?

Just read a few pages of these posts, we are all familiar with the Yes pack. Of course they have not seen a single page of the AIP, but greed is a pretty base emotion. The numbers in the 11/9/2018 email was all they needed to hear.

I don’t think that there is a reasonable explanation of the Yes crowd rushing to side with BB & BF after months of canx’d VAC, arbitrary section 13 hearings, and proby firings.

But there is a word. Greed. Hardly new or complex.

Greed.

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Anger and pride aren't new or complex either. All three have a tendency to blind the eyes of objectivity.
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
“A reasonable explanation”? For why impulsive greedy self centered Sheeples in DEN want what they want, not what is best for the group?

Just read a few pages of these posts, we are all familiar with the Yes pack. Of course they have not seen a single page of the AIP, but greed is a pretty base emotion. The numbers in the 11/9/2018 email was all they needed to hear.

I don’t think that there is a reasonable explanation of the Yes crowd rushing to side with BB & BF after months of canx’d VAC, arbitrary section 13 hearings, and proby firings.

But there is a word. Greed. Hardly new or complex.

Greed.

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Im not saying you a wrong... not at all.



But, isn't voting No because its not enough money also a decision based on greed?


This is all about greed, right? Yes voters are greedy. No voters are greedy. Frontier is greedy. Indigo is greedy. We're all greedy! duh
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:51 PM
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Im not saying you a wrong... not at all.



But, isn't voting No because its not enough money also a decision based on greed?


This is all about greed, right? Yes voters are greedy. No voters are greedy. Frontier is greedy. Indigo is greedy. We're all greedy! duh
I don't feel voting No is based on greed. My no vote is based on the fact that we are going from dead last to 2nd to last and from what I have been informed there simply isn't enough language protecting us from the company.

Cancelling vacations...it's still being worked on, but it will not be dealt with to my satisfaction. If the company must involuntarily take a pilot vacation it should come at a severe cost to the company.

Length of contract, simply too long. As I posted in the other thread there are ways to make it acceptable, we aren't doing any of it.

Provisions that force the company to make more efficient pairings, not good enough. 3.5:1 and 5hr duty avg don't cut it. These items don't truly cost the company money, they simply force the company to adjust schedules to make them fit in efficient pairings. This means that many pilots, not just senior ones can work 75hr months with only 12 days on. The same block hours are being flown, they are just being squished into busier days. That doesn't hurt the company. But without forcing them to do it, it allows them to be lazier and not worry about how many days the pilots are at work.

I hate red-eyes...red-eye override? The more it costs them to operate red-eyes, the less they will do. The red-eye override also helps because then the guys that don't mind the red-eyes snatch them up because they can work less days and make the same amount of money due to the override. This also reduces fatigue calls. Potentially being close to cost neutral for the company.

How about some better commuter policy provision? Let's give the company a little and agree to provide proof of abiding by the policy. But in giving this up we are getting the fact that if we abide by the policy we will be pay protected for up to 3 trips in a rolling 365 day period. The biggest penalty is loosing the pay, not anything else. At Spirit they do it a little different, if you miss the first option, they buy you a ticket on your 2nd. Also add provisions to include being unable to drive to work and be pay protected...snow storm, major accident stopping you from making it to work, if the proof is there (screenshots) and you were providing yourself plenty of time and attempt to notify crew scheduling some negotiated amount of time prior, it too could fall under your 3 allotted. After a pilot has more than 3, still no punishment, just no pay protection.

Commuter hotels: Flight cancels in domicile and you are a commuter...company gets you a hotel.

There are several other concerns I have that affect QOL and reduce the day to day stress of the job.

So for me it's not greed, its that there are too many stones left unturned. We were foolish to not address more of these issues, and I don't want to wait 7-8 years before we tackle them.
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