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Old 01-02-2019, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeybrains View Post
Serious question,
What if your plane breaks on the last leg home, or on the 2nd to last leg from a city that has no direct service to your domicile? What is the company’s obligation since it is likely that they can’t physically get you back to domicile before your scheduled duty off.
Any flying you do past original footprint end +3 hours is paid at 150% until your scheduled day off. At 2am on your scheduled day off you get 5 hrs of override, above any credit value for the trip (trip rig is still accumulating). If you get back after 1600 on your day off, a vacation day gets added in. No more than 2 legs to get you back to domicile.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver View Post
Any flying you do past original footprint end +3 hours is paid at 150% until your scheduled day off. At 2am on your scheduled day off you get 5 hrs of override, above any credit value for the trip (trip rig is still accumulating). If you get back after 1600 on your day off, a vacation day gets added in. No more than 2 legs to get you back to domicile.
Just to expand a little, the 150% for any/all legs flown would only apply to -reassigned- legs that occur 3 hours after the sequence release time. The 5x2am & 1x4pm apply to both reassignments AND delays.

Reassigned:
-150% legs after 3 hours.
-5 hours after 2am.
-1 vacay day after 4pm.

Delayed:
-5 hours after 2am.
-1 vacay day after 4pm.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeybrains View Post
Another honest question...
What if you are on a 4 day trip. Day 4 cancels, and you fly Day 4 duty period on Day 5. Assuming the trip had 4 DPs, and AMDP was driving the trip. You would have been paid 20 hours for the trip, How much will you be paid now?

4 duty periods for 20 hours and the duty period on day 5 will be min duty period at least at 200%. So 30 hours min. This is assuming this was a reassignment.

Second scenario, 4 day 3 DP trip. Day 4 cancels and you fly Day 4 on Day 5. AMDP was driving the trip(assume no override for long layover). So the trip originally paid 15 hours. How much will you be paid.

25 hours min

Third example you are on a 3 day trip worth 18 hours, no soft time. Day 3 cancels(it was worth 6 hours) and you fly 1 leg back to domicile on day 4(worth 3 hours) How much will you be paid?

You are guaranteed the 18 hours for the 3 day. The fact it cancels doesn’t matter, you get the reassignment pay of 18. Day 4 it’s a min 5 hours pay, which is min duty period, doesn’t matter it’s a 3 hour leg. That is 200%. Trip pays 28 hours

Thanks, just trying to better understand your reassignment pay.
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In the end, this is Spirit’s language. I have no idea how these scenarios would play at Frontier with the new contract.

Spirit’s rescheduling is not overly complicated. Whenever reassigned you either get the greater of the original pay, reassigned pay, or rig pay

-They must get you back to base within the original trip hour period +4 hours. If not, there are monetary incentives for the pilot

-They can not add flying after you last leg in. So when you land back in base, they can say “we got a quick turn for you”

-If you are rescheduled and miss your commute, they have to get you a hotel.

-Any reassignment that results in a duty period between 1am-4am will pay 5 hours extra pay above guarantee for each period.

And all the other parts for reassignment during a trip relating to beginning or during a trip...
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape View Post
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In the end, this is Spirit’s language. I have no idea how these scenarios would play at Frontier with the new contract.

Spirit’s rescheduling is not overly complicated. Whenever reassigned you either get the greater of the original pay, reassigned pay, or rig pay

-They must get you back to base within the original trip hour period +4 hours. If not, there are monetary incentives for the pilot

-They can not add flying after you last leg in. So when you land back in base, they can say “we got a quick turn for you”

-If you are rescheduled and miss your commute, they have to get you a hotel.

-Any reassignment that results in a duty period between 1am-4am will pay 5 hours extra pay above guarantee for each period.

And all the other parts for reassignment during a trip relating to beginning or during a trip...
Your contract language says the long layover override applies to scheduled layovers in excess of 22 (to become 24 hours). What happens if it is scheduled for under that (no override) but due to a cancellation it ends up well over...do you get the override?

In the first scenario, you don't have a duty period on day 4...it cancels. So by my calculation, wouldn't you get a min of 25 hours. 3x5 plus 1x10?
Same for scenario 2. 2x5 plus 1x10 for 20 hours?
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver View Post
Your contract language says the long layover override applies to scheduled layovers in excess of 22 (to become 24 hours). What happens if it is scheduled for under that (no override) but due to a cancellation it ends up well over...do you get the override?

In the first scenario, you don't have a duty period on day 4...it cancels. So by my calculation, wouldn't you get a min of 25 hours. 3x5 plus 1x10?
Same for scenario 2. 2x5 plus 1x10 for 20 hours?
No, it has to be a scheduled overnight...so as it was on the schedule. So you don’t get the extra duty pay for the hotel. Otherwise it would be great if you had a 23:15 hour overnight and you hauled butt to block in early 15 minutes to hit 24 hours now. Pay me! I wish. Trust me, I’ve tried this very example a few years ago. Fail

And for the second part; even if day 4 cancels, and you don’t fly day 4, you are guaranteed the value of “scheduled time of the original trip hour period”, value of the rescheduled period, or the rig associated.

Otherwise take the extreme; you are rescheduled in a hurricane zone and your 4 day is canceled after 1 day, you’re stuck there for 6 days (happened in Houston for some of our guys.) No way are the only getting 1 duty period plus the reassignment pay premium. They would get their original pay, rescheduled, or rig and then the premiums for day 5 and 6. Since it hit day 6, that’s 200% for the entire trip.

So a 4 day worth 25 hours cancels and you’re stuck in Houston for those six days. It’s 25 hours for the 4 day, 5 hours for day 5, 5 hours day 6. 35 hours total; with a 200% multiplier for the entire trip since you hit 2 days late. 70 credit total. It would probably be more because the 3.5 rig at 200% would be more than 70 total

This exact example was given at a road show by the NC

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To add at spirit: if you get rescheduled into a second day off (this would really only apply in say a hurricane Harvey or a massive blizzard that shuts down your airport), 200% for the entire pairing to include rigs for the now longer trip.
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Old 01-02-2019, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape View Post
No, it has to be a scheduled overnight...so as it was on the schedule. So you don’t get the extra duty pay for the hotel.

And for the second part; even if day 4 cancels, and you don’t fly day 4, you are guaranteed the value of “scheduled time of the original trip hour period”, value of the rescheduled period, or the rig associated
I thought it was the greater of the original schedule vs the new schedule? You seem to be adding the rescheduled duty period to the original?
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver View Post
I thought it was the greater of the original schedule vs the new schedule? You seem to be adding the rescheduled duty period to the original?
That’s true is you’re still in your footprint + 4

The extra duty period day 5 is essentially penalty duty period paid at 200% and above guarantee. You get it no matter what.
That’s rescheduled into a day off
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
That’s true is you’re still in your footprint + 4

The extra duty period day 5 is essentially penalty duty period paid at 200% and above guarantee. You get it no matter what.
That’s rescheduled into a day off
I was wondering how that worked. The language seemed to indicate to me that you would only get the 200% pay if you were actually assigned flying on day 5. Waiting in a hotel didn't seem to pay anything (except accumulate rig). That's why I was wondering about the long layover override and whether that kicked in.
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Originally Posted by Ducttape View Post
No, it has to be a scheduled overnight...so as it was on the schedule. So you don’t get the extra duty pay for the hotel.
In the example they asked about it WOULD pay the extra duty period if it was a result of a cancellation. Cancelation results in a modified pairing and the new pairing will show the long layover with adjusted pay. Your example is also correct, if you are scheduled for a 21:56 layover and under block the inbound by 5 minutes there is no change to your rig because there was no schedule change.
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