New contract
 

Congrats guys! Long overdue! Can anyone post the new numbers?

Thanks

Why? Considering coming here now? Let’s just say nothing is industry leading or even average.

Closed minded enough to realize that there are other sides of aviation that pay worse or have worse work rules. F9 is a step up for a lot of pilots. Accept that.

Unfortunately there will be the salty dogs that no matter what they get it will be the worst.

No just curious.

So F9 matched Spirit's pay?

Pretty much, yeah.

Our new contract goes longer into the future, so the top pay rates do go higher than Spirits, but that's mostly just because the 3% raises go another year.

Just so you know, 1st year pay is 57 and second year pay is 107

How many years is the contract? I heard someone say it was 8 years, but surely they can't be serious.

It’s 5. The people who say 7-8 are being overly dramatic.

How is that? The last contract was signed 8 years ago and the negotiations for this one lasted 3 years. I'd say their estimate is very accurate.

Amendable: January 16th, 2024 - 5 Years.
6 Month Earlier Opener if the union wants it.
Company Bad Faith Bargaining Begins: July 1, 2023.
MEC Incentivised Open Time Flying Period / Vacation Cancellations Begin: January 2024.
Ends: January 2026.
AIP: May 2026 with the early opener.
7 years, 4 months.

Bro, you gotta quit sampling those blue goods. We were in negotiations for just shy of 3 years with the early opener.

I bet if you concentrate real hard you can reconcile that 4.5 + 2.9 = 7.4

I guess we're to assume that you didn't know what you voted on?

The question was how long is the contract, not your estimate. The contract is 5 years with a 6 month early opener.

Could someone please elaborate on travel benefits for immediate and extended family please? I'm having some difficulty locating anything concrete. Thank you...

Is the contract not in effect until it is replaced by a ratified successor? If all you want is a guarantee on the side of the box I can take a crap in a box and mark it guaranteed.

When does health insurance coverage start for a new hire?
Is there a PPO/HMO with a co-pay?

Immediate family (spouse, children, parents) fly free unlimited on all Frontier flights. All of the above have access to ZED fares on most airlines (notable exceptions are UAL and DAL).

You may substitute 1 for 1 for your spouse, mother, and father. Your substitutes can be anyone, but subs must pay a yield fare for each Frontier flight (though travel is unlimited). One substitute that you designate may have access to several ZEDs (most are excluded, but JetBlue and IcelandAir are included). The other substitutes get no ZED access.

We get 28 buddy passes a year (1 segment = 1 buddy pass). MCO-PWM is 1 pass (2 Round Trip). MCO-DEN-SEA is 2 buddy passes (4 RT). Each holiday you work you earn 4 more buddy passes.

Finally, anyone listed on your travel benefits is eligible for the EZ20 fares. It’s 20% off the lowest available price to the general public at the time of booking. This is positive space and includes a checked and a carry on bag. Many employees take advantage of this benefit.

Health insurance begins on the 1st of the month FOLLOWING the month in which you start training.

There are multiple options for health insurance. I believe all are PPO. There’s a High Deductible plan with HSA option, a traditional plan with 80/20 coverage, and then the “legacy” plan that has high coverage and extremely high premiums. Most do the HSA or traditional plan. Personally I prefer the HSA.

Thanks. To be clear, if I started say April 11th, coverage would begin May 1st?
At JB, coverage begins the first after your first full calendar month, so if you started April 11th, coverage wouldn’t begin until June 1st.

Yeah at F9 it would begin May 1st.

Hey if You can’t read and answer a question without adding your dislike and negative comments for the new contract, you can stop posting. It saves people a lot of time actually answering them correctly and without your crap attitude.

You bought the X-ray glasses out of the back of the magazine for $0.55 and expected them to work too, right?

The question was how long the current contract will be in effect for. The correct answer is until a new agreement is ratified to replace it. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

“Vote yes this time, we will fix it next time!!!!” - HB

So basically, buddy passes and dependents who do not have ZED access will only be able to able to fly on Frontier flights?

Because 5 or 4.5 years is not correct or a genuine answer. Just like our hopefull "effective payrates," right? Why can't you give a genuine answer as to the effective duration of this contract?

The first bolded is what ultimately concerns me about Frontier. You have to be ok with riding NK's coattails and not doing $h1t for the industry ourselves. While our management bargains in bad faith and takes the operation to the BRINK our MEC will take that opportunity to credit 100's of hours a month until the company has almost completely choked their goose that lays the golden eggs. Then Barry will saunter in and give us the lowest thing out there plus a little "effective."

Also, that's a very optimistic view of our PBS negotiations (arbitrations).

Yes, afaik from my friends flying at different majors this is exactly how it is there as well. Its not like the regionals where you flew for a few different majors so your dependents could fly on those same couple different ones as well.

ZED travel restrictions come from the other airlines allowing you ZED travel, so those restrictions are common as well.

Is there any airline that gives buddy passes that can be used for another airline or ZED travel? Sorry not trying to sound rude, it's a real question, I'd be shocked if there was but that would be a cool perk.

This ZED talk brings up a question for me. Does anyone know the story behind why United and Delta do not share the agreement with us?

We had UAL until 2015 ish I believe? Could be misremembering. They seem to be stingy with agreements and if there is not an even mutual reciprocity they will drop agreements.

Yeah, I remember when it fell apart, I just couldn’t remember when.

Thanks

Was there anything in the TA Q and A section that gave pointers on how to get open time request approved. I notice I am constantly denied and the same pilots always seem to squeeze in a split second before I do. Is there some inside info that only an elect few know about? :confused:

Oops ... I really meant select...not elect

-OT alerts
-Watch the OT pot when DOT opens, know what you want to drop and click fast.

Do you guys have a commuter policy? Paid commuter parking?

Thanks

Yes and yes.

You can get $36 a month for parking.
You must try 2 flights that arrive 1 hour prior to report time

Good to know. Thanks for the reply

Do you guys have long call reserve?

Yes, we still do.

Any point to ordering the FLICA year end log?
Didn’t think tips and perdiem difference were deductible any longer......

FLICA Log
 

They’re not offering the IRS report; it’s just a list of where you went and when. There’s an FAQ on the ‘Recent Updates’ menu...

From the Pilot Tax folks who I’ve used for decades.....

Federal itemizing eliminated......

States where you can still itemize on your state return.......AL, AR, CA, HI,IA,MN,NY or PA!