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02-15-2019, 07:29 PM

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Trowserchilli

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Originally Posted by N6279P

Go ahead and poke fun of the first plane I ever touched instead of addressing the actual topic.

What would you like to address Capt 152?

Here’s two good reads for you:

https://simpleflying.com/american-ba...onomy-revenue/

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/...c-economy.html

02-15-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli

Here’s two good reads for you:

Not so much. Completely clueless authors. One article is from 1.5 years ago when basic economy was just being rolled out by United and it has been going strong since. Interesting how neither of these mention Delta who has had basic economy since 2012. Here is an article that might help you understand why basic economy is an effective means for network carriers to compete with LCCs & ULCCs. It is the antithesis of Ted.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/airport/del...ZxJn9KBa2Hp6H/

2018 DEN market share growth (decline)
UAL 12.1%
FRT 3.0%
LUV 2.4%
AAL (8.9%)

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02-16-2019, 07:11 AM

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Franke’s business model works. Like it or not, it’s just that simple. Wait until the next recession, it works even more. See you then...

02-16-2019, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugatu

Franke’s business model works. Like it or not, it’s just that simple.

Absolutely. Franke has done great things for the traveling public, employees and even the network carriers. As Henry Harteveldt, travel industry analyst, said, "Bill Franke is, in a way, more responsible for some big airlines making money than anyone else in the industry." LCCs and ULCCs were the impetus for basic economy.

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Wait until the next recession, it works even more. See you then...

OK. Not sure how much in DEN, but see you then.

02-16-2019, 12:06 PM

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[QUOTE=Flytolive;2765347

OK. Not sure how much in DEN, but see you then.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Not sure where your at on your list but we’ll still be hiring then if your close to the bottom.

02-16-2019, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddChavez

Last I checked, the price of a chicken sandwich doesn't go up on Sundays...

Last time I tried to get a chicken sandwich on Sunday the place was closed.

02-16-2019, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lowcountryflyer

Kirby is getting his bottom feed RJ flying warmed up to compete with our NEOs. Should be interesting to see how the 175s will compete on some of these routes.

Bottom feeding is Frontier paying most their employees a fraction of what one could get at other airlines. Their FAs top out in the $37.21 a hour. Meanwhile at Delta, United and the others they are pushing $70 Easy to have good CASM when running on slave labor.

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Originally Posted by Mugatu

Franke’s business model works. Like it or not, it’s just that simple. Wait until the next recession, it works even more. See you then...

Wait until oil doubles and Franke's stalling tactics with labor falters. Oh and then David Neeleman pops up with Moxy and his year zero labor to execute the finishing move and the true meaning of bottom feeding. See you then...

02-16-2019, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluetruth

Ahh that already happened when Indigo owned Spirit. You must not remember when.
In fact Spirit kept the bar up with the contract they bargained during the great recession

02-17-2019, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugatu

Superior product is subjective. What do you base it on? Profit margin? If that’s the case we gotcha there. Don’t get me wrong, my family travels United all the time. It’s my preferred airline but we operate in different markets. We don’t compete for your pax, and it’s a mistake to compete for ours. Our CASM is just way to low. CASM on a 175 from Denver to west coast has to be enormous. It’s not fitting the right plane to the right market. That’s old, old, old bad marketing management makes to their employees.

Anyway, I sincerely hope for the best for all but ULCC model is vastly different than the legacies. It’s that simple.

Oh Jeez here we go again... Magatu’s answer for everything. He now says profit margin makes the product better. Profit margin this, and profit margin that.

02-17-2019, 07:42 AM

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Commuting on every US airline....... the Delta product stands out....

Been treated well by united, JB, Alaska...... AMR not so much....treated well by SW but the guppy is noisy and cramped.... prefer the buss or the 57, 175 .....any widebody

Our seats just plain SUCK