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Old 02-14-2019, 01:16 PM
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Posted over on the UAL Forum.
Kirby is getting his bottom feed RJ flying warmed up to compete with our NEOs. Should be interesting to see how the 175s will compete on some of these routes.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:48 PM
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Ridiculous.

That’s what was going to happen two years ago, according to Kirby.
It amounted to nothing.
He didn’t learn his lesson at American when he lost billions trying to shut Spirit out of DFW.

When Amtrak and Greyhound decide to stop us then we’ll have something to talk about. That’s our competition.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:01 PM
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Ridiculous.

That’s what was going to happen two years ago, according to Kirby.
It amounted to nothing.
He didn’t learn his lesson at American when he lost billions trying to shut Spirit out of DFW.

When Amtrak and Greyhound decide to stop us then we’ll have something to talk about. That’s our competition.
Yep I agree 100%. Kirby just doesn't get it.
Maybe they will start up TED again.
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Honestly, I just don't see us competing for the same passengers. United has their loyal passengers, all of whom have 'miles' and a United credit card, and then there's our passengers. There is some overlap, but I believe there is less overlap than not.

Lately, United has been working hard to focus on business and first class travel. They are reducing economy seats across their fleets and replacing them with more 1st and business class seats. I believe that is a very telling move. It's a more clear separation of markets from us.

I think in some way United is giving up on the $50 ticket folks. Just as we gave up on the business travelers.
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Posted over on the UAL Forum.
Kirby is getting his bottom feed RJ flying warmed up to compete with our NEOs. Should be interesting to see how the 175s will compete on some of these routes.
You make it sound like a bad idea he’s matching the appropriate capacity aircraft for the market size. Also, who wouldn’t want to fly on a 175 over your sardine can?
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You make it sound like a bad idea he’s matching the appropriate capacity aircraft for the market size. Also, who wouldn’t want to fly on a 175 over your sardine can?

I'll tell ya who...... the thousands of "income sensitive" people who only have $75ish.
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You make it sound like a bad idea he’s matching the appropriate capacity aircraft for the market size. Also, who wouldn’t want to fly on a 175 over your sardine can?
Haha, appropriate capacity, eh? Never mind we fill 186 seats regularly to those places...
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Originally Posted by N6279P View Post
You make it sound like a bad idea he’s matching the appropriate capacity aircraft for the market size. Also, who wouldn’t want to fly on a 175 over your sardine can?
BTW, nice job on the price gouging on days F9 doesn't fly...
https://ibb.co/pbKCQGg
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BTW, nice job on the price gouging on days F9 doesn't fly...
https://ibb.co/pbKCQGg
Someone must have missed a few days in economics class.

Not matching Frontiers fares on days frontier doesn’t offer service doesn’t mean it’s price gouging, especially considering United offers a superior product.
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Originally Posted by N6279P View Post
Someone must have missed a few days in economics class.

Not matching Frontiers fares on days frontier doesn’t offer service doesn’t mean it’s price gouging, especially considering United offers a superior product.
Superior product is subjective. What do you base it on? Profit margin? If that’s the case we gotcha there. Don’t get me wrong, my family travels United all the time. It’s my preferred airline but we operate in different markets. We don’t compete for your pax, and it’s a mistake to compete for ours. Our CASM is just way to low. CASM on a 175 from Denver to west coast has to be enormous. It’s not fitting the right plane to the right market. That’s old, old, old bad marketing management makes to their employees.

Anyway, I sincerely hope for the best for all but ULCC model is vastly different than the legacies. It’s that simple.
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