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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 2782045)

We paid for these new provisions with near industry low pay rates and initial retirement contribution percentage. That’s the whole reason I personally voted yes. The overall language makes up for the low end pay rates.

The point is that we never negotiated rig being paid over guarantee for a hybrid reserve add. That was something that went our way after the fact.
I’m not talking about reserves flying on their days off which, by the way had nothing to do with rates.

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Originally Posted by CantStayAway (Post 2782247)

Correct. I have already experienced an attempted reassignment (that I was not notified of) that was going to get me back into base 2:45 past my original footprint. It was due to a late inbound aircraft arriving at the city where I was to overnight. Since the delayed plane was 3 hours late they wanted to use the aircraft I flew in along with both pilots to fly the delayed trip. Since I was never notified they ended up keeping the original crew on it and it just went late. This was deemed a legal reassignment because it is “outside of company control”. Granted I will never hear a thing about it because I did nothing wrong, but once the app is in place this type of thing will be commonplace and unavoidable. If they can claim “outside of our control” for anything in order to maintain schedule integrity, this whole “footprint” language is worthless.

I don’t mind most reassignments, but don’t mess with my time off. That includes overnights at home (I’m a commuter and bid for them) and my pairing end time. I bid for commutability and often times a 3 hour delay will cost me a night at home.

How is that any different than the old book?

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Originally Posted by monkeybrains (Post 2782251)

How is that any different than the old book?

Today it is not. Once the app is in place avoiding this type of reassignment will not be an option. You must return their phone calls once the app is in place.

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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 2782118)

Reserve pilots flying on days off because the hourly’s not where it should be. Plus this slows us from growing the seniority list.

Been discussed here plenty of times before. The reassignment language is nearly the most liberal in the business. DAL, AA, have vowed to rid themselves of their own in the next contract due to it being abused.

Most liberal in the industry? Total BS...
And we vowed to have a contract that brought us into the pattern, and as you like to point out, look how well that worked out for us.

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Originally Posted by monkeybrains (Post 2782248)

Overall reserve language absolutely contributed to pay rates. It was worth x amount of dollars due to the fact we would need less of them. Reserves ability to cover flying on a day off is part of that. I’m not sure what your referring to with hybrid reserve add? Probably something I missed. Also, I understand your overall premise and agree we should work to resolve unforeseen consequences of the new language. Just don’t want to see us give away any language the intent was already agreed upon. Because that’s what happened over time when indigo Bought us. It was taken from us through our lack of disputes, gray areas, and management reinterpretation.

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Originally Posted by monkeybrains (Post 2781944)

Reserve pilots flying on a combo of rsv days and days off being paid all rig over guarantee. There are a number of new provisions in the reassignment letter that benefit us, eg 1 hour 3hours to name a couple

That has always been the original intent. There’s nothing new in the reassignment letter that’s not part of the original intent. Although it is an LOA It’s more of a language clarification letter. Sounds like there’s some other clarifications outside of reassignment. As far as reassignment, There’s a res example for the 150% but not day off. There was also an issue with keeping your overs after being reassigned. As well as some clarity as to when your released to rest. Again, a res flying into a day off under reassignment being paid over guarantee was always the intent there just was no example. We already had the reassignment within 1 to depart with 3. It’s not the company giving us anything that wasn’t negotiated. There are no real new provisions just clarifications.