FAs reach a TA with F9
 

I saw this posted somewhere else, apparently the Flight Attendents made a deal with company. I’m a little curious where their new deal puts them in relation to the SWA, the legacies, etc.

But my biggest question is, does this new deal include supplemental health insurance for all their cats? ... I kid, I kid.

https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Un...h-13702809.php

I'm curious about profit sharing...

I'd bet that it was given up for pay rates.

There’s a ZERO percent chance they kept it...

That would be my guess as well.

I’m more interested in thier per diem since we have a me too clause on that. I’m guessing it doesn’t change from thier me too on ours.

The Legacies negotiated me too clauses for industry leading pay rates, while our sole me too clause is to get the same per diem as the FAs. Let that sink in. Sigh......😒

Same or better whichever is greater but point taken.

So is it going up?

You guys are this concerned about a few cents of per diem? I bet you can’t even tell me what the last two digits (after the .) are at your current pay rate without having to look it up. We’ve got people who seriously don’t even know how to check their 401k or HSA accounts to verify the company is sending over the correct amounts each check, and we are worried about .10 cents more of per diem?

A lot of assumptions there, Chach. And not everyone shares your opinion about ".10 cents more of per diem."

People don’t know how to check their 401k? Ha ha nice try.

I think whoever said that originally was simply stating the fact that a little boost in per diem would be nice, a long with all all other raises we are getting. No need assume so many negative things.

It’s .68

Still missing $30 on the front side .....

New FA per diem is $2.00 to start.

Since the new tax law says we cant write off any employment related expenses, including the per diem on a per city basis, I am concerned about a few cents of per diem. That's money we cant recoup any more, so every little bit does matter.

On a trip that has 72 hours TAFB, a .10 increase equals $7.20. All I’m saying is most guys don’t even know what the right side of the decimal of their pay rate is and you’re worring about $7.20 over a 4 day trip. If you compare that 7.20 to what you’ll make over a 4 day at your pay rate, it’s really peanuts.

I get excited for free breakfast, hate me all you want.

I hear you on it's a small amount, but by using your math, and assuming four 4 days a month, it comes up to about $350 a year. Yes, a 2nd year FO can make that on a MCO to ORD leg, but that's not the point. Were leaving a new set of Bose headphones, or a new suitcase for work on the table.

I'm sure someone will respond with negotiating capital or whatever. It done and over with so this is what we work with.

No negotiating capital...no “how many cents per hour per diem”...no whatever...

As a “no” voter, it’s over. Let’s help each other move on and make the best of our current situation. If you aren’t studying the old contract v. the new contract and scheming how you can either:
A) Maximize your pay check, or
B) Maximize your time at home
You aren’t trying hard enough.

Where is anyone coming up with .10 an hour less in per diem? Considering AA,AK,B6,DL,FX,NK,SWA,UA, and UPS Frontier pilots are earning .34 less an hour than the average. At 4-4 day trips a month it equates to hundreds of thousands of dollars when invested monthly over a 30-year career.

Obviously one uses their per diem to cover expenses and therefore wouldn't be investing all of it, but it's all money-in / money-out and it's not an insignificant amount of money although it might appear that way on the surface.

Plus, it's an extreme outlier for a new contract. There's at least one regional that pays more per diem than F9. It's so far outside of the realm of reasonableness that it NEVER should've been agreed to.

Little dramatic, no? It is a 5 year contract. We can secure the extra 50 cents per hour next time around and save you the hundreds of thousands of dollars you almost lost. If we can be honest, this contract is so much better than the old one it is laughable. Hourly could certainly be more, but the sky is falling reassignment concerns have not happened. If fact I have already been delayed into a day off twice. That netted me 10 hours and a vacation day, and both times the reassignmentled to a dh on the last leg. First time, I got home before my original release time and the second time, I got home 90 minutes after.

Whatever floats your $2 boat.

Good thing companies like DL, AA, UA, and SWA aren’t having problems with loose and non financially punitive reassignment language. Oh wait.

This place will always be a half-baked turd burger because of thinking like yours.

Are you STILL complaining? You must be a thrill to fly with.....

You must be the captain of the frontier flight I commuted on yesterday lol.

Told him I was joining the frontier ranks when I asked for the ride and he immediately went on to tell me I was now the lowest paid airbus pilot in the world blah blah blah. I won’t let one bad apple dampen my excitement at the opportunity I have.

Ok, you’re right. Frontier doesn’t have a shameful per diem rate and all of the real airlines aren’t fighting a reassignment battle. Also the pay rates up to year 12 are industry average. Copy. Thanks for clearing that up.

Do you have your applications out at these industry average places?

Man, I’ve been on two Delta jumpseats the last two months and both times the Capt and FOs were “rerouted”. Once they were supposed to end up in California for the night and they ended up having to go to Billings. The other was a Atlanta crew rerouted to Vegas and then SLC. I asked them if it’s possible to make extra money when they are “rerouted” they said no. The capt just said if they can use you they will. He talked like it’s not in uncommon. So it happens at DL.
As far as the per diem thing V1 and you claiming losses of “100s of thousands” you should recalculate. With four, four days at 75 hrs TAFB right now would cause you to lose $1,200 a year, that gap will eventually get closer and you will lose around 400 a year. Even with insane compound interest, and you packing food every trip it’s no where near $25,000 over 35 years let alone hundreds of thousands. Look I’m not defending our low per diem, I would have loved for it to be higher but let’s not be dramatic.
Also, I know both Untied and Delta have re assignment language. Anyhow that’s all.

Welcome Zoo. Please keep in mind that we fought a very tough battle with this company. Even the 77% who voted yes (I respect their positions) fought this hard battle right along side the 'no' voters. Some wounds are still fresh, and everyone has a right to express themselves, including you - new guy! That said I have advice. You can take it, or **** it right down the drain for all I care, but I'm going to give it anyway: Take a step back and humble yourself a little as you opine on a situation you did not endure. Calling out F9 pilots on this board before you even hit the line is stupid.

Yeah your right. I just get tired of people endlessly **** about their situation and not doing anything about it. I guess that’s what Internet forums are for though.

He does have a point.... Fresh wound or not, if all you want to do is still b**** about things that you are angry about after the fact, oh and things that other Legacy Airlines have like reassignment, then maybe an application isn’t a bad idea. It’s time to let go of the past and look forward to the next negotiation. Don’t forget, but stop living in the past

I don't disagree with you in principle. Complaining has very limited value. I try very hard not to traffic 'too much' in it unless it has a constructive purpose; like how our complaints about the sick memo helped achieve its recindence. ( Is recindence even a real word?:confused:)

According to CNBC the lifetime rate of return of the S&P 500 is 9.8%


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/18/the-...full-year.html

We're subsidizing the operation out of our pockets.

Personally speaking

I'm pretty damned happy btw, nowadays. After watching management and our pilot group's behavior (MEC included) during negotiations I've disavowed myself of any urge to take pride in working here. If I stay it'll be to fly my trips safely, treat people well, cash the check, and go home with no attachment to who I work for. And that's sad because that's not "me." But what's the alternative? Be proud of working at a place that has wh0ring yourself out engrained in its DNA? It's just not a good union shop.

FARRRRRR more good stuff than bad though. It's really is an amazing flying job and I have (and will continue) encouraged people to come here.

It is a big-boy-airline contract and maybe it is amazing that our NC/MEC managed to pull off this contract in spite of this management team. Maybe the NMB told Indigo to "do the deal" comparatively to NK or it's all over. Who knows. But let's not forget how this pilot group truly behaved when bent over a barrel. From the "top" down the pilot group said, "may I have another" with the incentivized flying.

So again, let's not pretend that didn't all happen. Let's not pretend like we stupidly signed up for the same problem the majors are facing now. We don't need to gloss over the gross inadequacies of this new contract and pretend like they don't exist. If this place has hundreds of airplanes and ~4k pilots, PBS, and the optimization software then we'll all be on reserve. The problem is that next time, in 7 years, we'll see this progression again. The pilot group can't help itself.



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He wasn’t lying. You will be the lowest paid Airbus pilot. That’s not an exciting opportunity.

Well to me the prospect of making good money and having pretty good QOL is pretty exciting. Especially what im coming from.

Hey man, listen. Welcome to F9 and not a regional. A step forward in my book and it should be in yours. Maybe after 10+ years you will get cynical but for now enjoy the new type and being paid like a professional for once. It’s not all rainbows and sunshine but you are damn sure it’s better then a regional. Enjoy.

Always remember, APC = Another Pilot Complaining.