I'm sure there will be colas after then, just the unpaid kind.

Unpaid and forced in reverse seniority order.

maybe, maybe not. We will see. We should do well in a recession, a depression probably not so well.

Well aren't we all a bunch of optimists in here. I may be naive, but I think we avoid furloughs and come out growing.

Maybe management is lying, but why wouldn't they threaten furloughs and concessions if that were a reality?

That’s what’s intriguing to me: the unbridled optimism. Almost seems too good to be true. I mean, you would think that if they saw a chance to gut the contract or induce some division in the group that they would be all about the doom and gloom. But, I’ve got to be honest, the last few months have been some of the best leadership I’ve seen yet out of this management group.

Not to be a Debbie downer but as part of accepting CARES act grant money they cannot renegotiate any f9 labor contracts (outside of Loa’s) till October 1. Also, there have been some Legitimate disputes filed recently. I agree with the exceptional leadership coming from management right now.

I think they are just looking at the numbers and realize what an advantage they have now. Just about anyone can see that. The only caveat will be if the passengers come back in time for them to capitalize. Although if it’s true they can ground 85 percent of their fleet for 12 months I imagine that ought to do it. I keep thinking about the DEN gate expansion and F9s decision to not play ball with the high lease prices I assume the airport was asking. Hindsight, It looks like a stroke of genius by F9 management now. Historically industry downturns are where cheap airlines gain the most market share and Franke has been around long enough that he’s seen it all by now, he must feel this downturn will be no different.

That isn't stopping the majority of other airline's management from talking furloughs and concessions

The last few months is is the ONLY leadership you’ve seen from this management group... in fairness, I will give credit where it’s due... they’ve done a nice job to this point

I think you said it pretty accurately there.

I think our management team sees that theres a big opportunity in front of them so they are stepping up to the plate.

No management has said anything about concessions. They can’t. It’s not hard to figure out they will in October.

Why can’t they talk about concessions? They’re talking about furloughs.

cares act. Labor Contracts can’t be renegotiated. To get concessions you have to renegotiate them.There’s other ways to get concessions which is why I mentioned the disputes. I’m not saying they were intentional. There at the dispute level.

Nothing in the CARES act preventing air carriers from negotiating with the unions for an effective date after September 30. There is a clause prohibiting the government conditioning financial assistance on any renegotiation of CBAs, but that's it. They're forewarning about furloughs to come Oct 1, so I don't see why they can't forewarn about concesssions. I thought UAL was already making noises about 30% concessions?

SEC. 4114. REQUIRED ASSURANCES.
(a) In General.—To be eligible for financial assistance under this subtitle, an air carrier or contractor shall enter into an agreement with the Secretary, or otherwise certify in such form and manner as the Secretary shall prescribe, that the air carrier or contractor shall—

(1) refrain from conducting involuntary furloughs or reducing pay rates and benefits until September 30, 2020;

Technically most haven’t even said they were furloughing. They just projected future staffing numbers and run a massive displacement bids. A few Ual friends had to dig deep into cares act to see if they were going to be pay protected as captains till October 1 after they were downgraded. They won’t be. A bit of a back door paycutt prior to October 1.

Ual has definitely been skirting cares act language with some of thier public statements. Haven’t heard about 30% cuts but it’s entirely possible? That would be illegal once Ual took the cares act funding like you just mentioned. Once Ual made a 30% concessions proposal that would be considered a renegotiation. I day trade with one of thier union reps and he hasn’t mentioned it.

Looking back at news items it looks like it was a 30% cut in management/admin staffing along with pilot displacements, all effective after 9/30, not paycuts.

Im sure its coming. No reason to discuss it till October 1. It’s hard to negotiate a contract when you have no idea how many pilots you have. Costs are impossible to determine. Several carriers haven’t even taken furlough mitigation steps yet. Cart before horse. Hopefully demand comes back quickly over the next month or 2.

Fleet Update ?
 

Does anyone have any info if we are keeping the 320 CEOs when we start bringing the planes back from Roswell ? I heard the 319s will be retired for sure but not much else.

Can anyone confirm that we are bringing planes back From kROW?

Someone posted with a screenshot on the Facebook group that 3 320 CEOs are coming back around June 1st.

In ground school recently they said they were in talks to renegotiate lease terms on some of the older aircraft so don’t count out those 319s yet unless I haven’t seen a memo. We’re bringing planes back so they don’t have to put them into long term storage since there are more costs that go into that.

The info I heard is that all stored aircraft will be online again in July.

Sounds good - thanks for the replies everyone. I don't do facebook - Im a member of the antisocial club.

Neither do I.

2 CEOs are being repo’d from ROW tomorrow. One to TPA and one PHX. Both MX stations so I’m not exactly sure those are coming back online. Plus with other NEOs still parked, why would they bring back some older CEOs first. Doesn’t all add up to be brought back online.

Maybe because they parked them first so they’re first to be brought back. There was some kind of a time limit for conversion to long term storage which they are trying to avoid. Not sure if they were running up against that limit.

Your wording is incorrect. There are No NEOs parked. They may not be flying every day, but they are not parked in storage.