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Old 03-31-2020, 01:41 PM   #21  
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Why?
"For those with fewer than one a day five times a week, they would only need to fly once per week."
Right, but according to flight aware cancellations tomorrow we have 95% of our flights canceled. Admittedly I donít know exactly how many city pairs we have either daily or five times a week to, but just guessing itís more than 5%. Meaning F9 would have to operate a flight five times a week to those cities. Thankfully we do operate several city pairs on a less frequent basis.
The issue is IMO the company would like to cancel more flights, however the stipulation to provide service may force them to operate more flights at a loss than they are comfortable with. That was the point of the post.
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Right, but according to flight aware cancellations tomorrow we have 95% of our flights canceled. Admittedly I donít know exactly how many city pairs we have either daily or five times a week to, but just guessing itís more than 5%. Meaning F9 would have to operate a flight five times a week to those cities. Thankfully we do operate several city pairs on a less frequent basis.
The issue is IMO the company would like to cancel more flights, however the stipulation to provide service may force them to operate more flights at a loss than they are comfortable with. That was the point of the post.
And apparently you are correct vis a vis the latest update from the union.
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Right, but according to flight aware cancellations tomorrow we have 95% of our flights canceled. Admittedly I donít know exactly how many city pairs we have either daily or five times a week to, but just guessing itís more than 5%. Meaning F9 would have to operate a flight five times a week to those cities. Thankfully we do operate several city pairs on a less frequent basis.
The issue is IMO the company would like to cancel more flights, however the stipulation to provide service may force them to operate more flights at a loss than they are comfortable with. That was the point of the post.
Makes zero sense to fly empty airplanes around the country. I get what they are trying to do but is bad business.
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ďAirlines could seek waiversĒ. Time
to start drafting some I would imagine.
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Makes zero sense to fly empty airplanes around the country. I get what they are trying to do but is bad business.
You're right. But it is no longer a purely business matter once there is public money being injected into the companies.

I think that metaphorically these minimum flights could be looked at as a public-private partnership. Or flights subsidized by the government to fulfill a certain public interest.

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And apparently you are correct vis a vis the latest update from the union.
What did it say? I didnít get the email.
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What did it say? I didnít get the email.
Basically they think that in order to accept the grant money they will be required to provide more service.

So maybe they offer fewer leaves
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Basically they think that in order to accept the grant money they will be required to provide more service.

So maybe they offer fewer leaves
I interpreted that email as "if you're planning on holding your line instead of taking the COLA, you might be flying more on AVA than you originally thought so factor that into your decision."
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I interpreted that email as "if you're planning on holding your line instead of taking the COLA, you might be flying more on AVA than you originally thought so factor that into your decision."
That could certainly be
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So the April COLA award has not been posted and itís past noon, east coast, on 01APR. We also received an obscure email from ALPA yesterday regarding more routes that may have to be flown if grant money is accepted. It makes me think the company may be reconsidering taking the grant money and putting most people on 50hr pay for April; they may want to take a much more draconian measure to conserve cash.

Someone else posted this link but Iíll post it again. These rules put in place for the airline grants by the Secretary of Transportation have HUGE implications for us. The Secretary basically formed his rules to give the Legacies massive relief for reductions in daily flights on a given route, while giving airlines like Spirit and Frontier basically nothing since we typically only operate one flight per day on our routes. The rules could be incremental but theyíre not, they target us.

IMO, this is our corrupt U.S. government in action, legacy lobbyists have found their government stooge and now theyíre trying to squash us before we emerge with our ďhuge cost advantageĒ [Biffle quote] on the other side of this. If we arenít allowed exemptions on the majority of our routes, I see no advantages to them taking the grant money; and this is unlikely a coincidence and more likely by design to hurt us.



Excerpt from Reuterís:

The department said carriers that flew domestically between cities five days a week or more before the impact of the coronavirus pandemic would need to continue to provide at least one flight per day five times a week between the points.

Those routes with fewer flights would only need to be flown once per week. For cities where there are multiple airports, carriers could consolidate operations at a single airport.

The department said airlines could seek waivers for specific flights, saying that ďeven with these reduced service levels, it may not be practicable for covered carriers to serve all points previously served.Ē


Reuters: U.S. backs minimum flights on airline routes in assistance review

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