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ColdWhiskey 04-01-2020 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3019886)
Not to mention there shouldn’t be any crazy 200 plus credit paychecks by the end of the bid period. I’ll bet it’s closer to a 10% payroll saving. May should be more.

Not so sure I agree. None of the names of the company wh0res that were loading their schedules with incentivized or PAF flying during the contract negotiations or afterwards using their bots are on the list of Cola participants.

I have no doubt these same individuals will find a way to manipulate and load their schedule during this crisis in such a way that it forces the company to pay them in excess of 300 credit hours per month. It is just another opportunity for them to profit excessively from whatever the current situation is.

Some of these people made over $600K in 2019, and at least one made in excess of $700K (and that did not include the signing bonus).

fcoolaiddrinker 04-01-2020 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey (Post 3019961)
Not so sure I agree. None of the names of the company wh0res that were loading their schedules with incentivized or PAF flying during the contract negotiations or afterwards using their bots are on the list of Cola participants.

I have no doubt these same individuals will find a way to manipulate and load their schedule during this crisis in such a way that it forces the company to pay them in excess of 300 credit hours per month. It is just another opportunity for them to profit excessively from whatever the current situation is.

Some of these people made over $600K in 2019, and at least one made in excess of $700K (and that did not include the signing bonus).

It wouldn’t surprise me. I noticed that as well. Just substantially less opportunity to do so as there will be 80/90% less block to do it with. If it starts happening I’m reaching out to reps to try and negotiate a cap during cola months. I don’t think thier same strategy of dropping everything a week out and waiting for paf is going to work right now. The company should have plenty of reserves.

Punkah Louvre 04-01-2020 03:12 PM

RSV v AVL
 

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3020014)
It wouldn’t surprise me. I noticed that as well. Just substantially less opportunity to do so as there will be 80/90% less block to do it with. If it starts happening I’m reaching out to reps to try and negotiate a cap during cola months. I don’t think thier same strategy of dropping everything a week out and waiting for paf is going to work right now. The company should have plenty of reserves.

While my experience of Premium is an Out & Back; and the PAF on the F/O side is the classic London bus (you wait for ever, then 3 come along at once...) I'm not sure what you've said about Reserves necessarily holds true.
As far as assigning a trip goes; there's a huge difference between an AVL pilot and a RSV, CS have very little flexibility with the former. Imagine telling a RSV pilot commuting to work for 5 days that if they have not been called by 4pm the day prior they're released!

Substantially reduced flying equals substantially reduced flexibility; placing a much greater burden on RSVs, and on top of that; expect a 'Covid Curve' increase in Commuter & Sick calls as cancelations compound and the virus spreads..

One could also make a counter argument to your Credit Cap suggestion; that those who choose to fly are putting themselves in harms way to some extent; and compensated fairly for that..

CS & Planning cant be much fun these days. May Lines will be eye opening. (Then just close them again & hope it all goes away....)

Stay safe out there, or better still stay home.
//PL

WaterRooster 04-01-2020 03:20 PM

Any word on if we are going to get any exemptions that would allow us to take the grant? Or even if we plan on taking it at all?

monkeybrains 04-01-2020 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey (Post 3019961)
Not so sure I agree. None of the names of the company wh0res that were loading their schedules with incentivized or PAF flying during the contract negotiations or afterwards using their bots are on the list of Cola participants.

I have no doubt these same individuals will find a way to manipulate and load their schedule during this crisis in such a way that it forces the company to pay them in excess of 300 credit hours per month. It is just another opportunity for them to profit excessively from whatever the current situation is.

Some of these people made over $600K in 2019, and at least one made in excess of $700K (and that did not include the signing bonus).

I agree with everything you said, but nobody made $600 or $700k before bonus. Top guy made a touch over $500k before his bonus, but still pretty sad indeed.

On an unrelated topic, I think the May cola requests will go way up. There will be no single day AVA. Instead everyone will be on reserve. This includes 20+ year CAs who have never sat reserve a day in their life. There will be a handful of turn lines, likely not super productive and everyone else will be on reserve.
can’t see commuting to reserve for an extra 25 hours of credit. I’ll gladly take 50 hours to sit home for the month.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-01-2020 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Punkah Louvre (Post 3020034)
While my experience of Premium is an Out & Back; and the PAF on the F/O side is the classic London bus (you wait for ever, then 3 come along at once...) I'm not sure what you've said about Reserves necessarily holds true.
As far as assigning a trip goes; there's a huge difference between an AVL pilot and a RSV, CS have very little flexibility with the former. Imagine telling a RSV pilot commuting to work for 5 days that if they have not been called by 4pm the day prior they're released!

Substantially reduced flying equals substantially reduced flexibility; placing a much greater burden on RSVs, and on top of that; expect a 'Covid Curve' increase in Commuter & Sick calls as cancelations compound and the virus spreads..

One could also make a counter argument to your Credit Cap suggestion; that those who choose to fly are putting themselves in harms way to some extent; and compensated fairly for that..

CS & Planning cant be much fun these days. May Lines will be eye opening. (Then just close them again & hope it all goes away....)

Stay safe out there, or better still stay home.
//PL

some valid points but we’re talking 50 plus % reserves assuming a 90% reduction in block. I think you’ll find that the majority of pilots on property would support a cap (only for the duration of the cola). Especially if we are looking at furloughs/downgrades at some point. Also I’m not sure what you mean by a rsv? That’s not a reserve pilot. It’s a line holder with a cancellation. At least thats what you described with the release at 1600 day prior.

Gary et al 04-01-2020 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3019886)
take it off the average credit and it’s around 40%. There’s not a whole lot of pilots finishing at 75, reserves included now. Not to mention there shouldn’t be any crazy 200 plus credit paychecks by the end of the bid period. I’ll bet it’s closer to a 10% payroll saving. May should be more.

While I do agree with basically everything you said. I was stating their savings based of pure obligations as April there is going to be very little flying. So the normal 84+ hr avg will not be the normal. Either way, at least it is some savings and like you said, probably more in May.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-01-2020 04:53 PM

I’m hearing they were looking for 700ish. I’ll bet they get that in May if that’s still what thier looking for.

pilot124 04-02-2020 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3020147)
I’m hearing they were looking for 700ish. I’ll bet they get that in May if that’s still what thier looking for.

If that’s the case, the company should come out and say they need more COLA’s. A lot of people chose to stay flying in April to help the commuters like myself. Or better yet, close COLA bid for May before closing the May hard line bid. This way they have an idea of how many accept COLA and then restructure the May lines.

RickGassko 04-02-2020 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by pilot124 (Post 3021725)
If that’s the case, the company should come out and say they need more COLA’s. A lot of people chose to stay flying in April to help the commuters like myself. Or better yet, close COLA bid for May before closing the May hard line bid. This way they have an idea of how many accept COLA and then restructure the May lines.

^^ I second this. Is there any reason they don’t give us some kind of ballpark of what they need?


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