fcoolaiddrinker

originally you said pax now it’s revenue. Revenue numbers are not public as f9 isn’t either. Revenue is way down. That’s about all we know.

Gary et al

Thats not at all the case, in fact it completely misunderstands the data. Though I would suggest that due to our 50/50 split of revenue on ticket prices and ancillary fees that revenue is a bit lower.

When you state that the data is number of flights flown for that week vs that same week in 2019 it really suggests that Spirit and JetBlue might be doing very well. If the airline can be "right sized" for the time being it is better to operate fewer flights and bleed less cash. Operating more flights is not necessarily a good thing, unless those flights are making money. Now fortunately for Frontier's case if we operated 23% of our normal schedule and the following week we were showing 26+% of our normal loads, that suggests things are doing relatively well. It gives reason to continue growing and keeping the airline sized appropriately for the number of passengers. Also, while revenue is certainly down, operating costs are also lower. "Free" payroll for many employees through Sept while many employees are also taking voluntary 33% pay cuts to be able to stay home, fuel prices significantly down, maintenance costs down due to aircraft not operating. We're absolutely still bleeding money, but management has done very well to make recovery stronger. Looking at everything objectively it's nowhere near as bad as you suggest.

Shrek

Good luck with that - LoL

Barley

I imagine at present F9 is seeing an average of 30% loads. Basically everyone has that now. That number is slowly ticking up. The game moving forward for “full steam ahead” is surviving or surviving while taking market share. So, yes, I think the full fleet will be deployed soon. The question will be how long can F9 survive the liquidity game to stay on the offensive? Only a handful of private equity owners know that and they don’t waste time on this board. :-)

SuperDec95

Of the ten legs I've flown In May not one was less than 100 pax, a few were right up to capacity minus the 20 blocked seats. So in my experience no where close to 30% - likely double that.

Boeing175

Current load factor is 50-65% depending on the day. Las Vegas opens June 4th and Disney world starts July 11th. Will be ramping up flights as those approach.

Mooneyguy

50-60% which is our break even point! Two planes came out of the desert today. All to be back online by sep is what being heard.

Aero1900

I don't want to be a Debbie downer, but I guarantee we are not anywhere close to breaking even.

I think our breakeven load factor is above 60%. Especially considering our fares are cheap now.

And we are paying lease payments for 50+ airplanes sitting in NM.

CrewRest

Good point.......However, only if we are flying a full fleet. Not flying only half our fleet!

Boeing175

Full fleet with high utilization too. Requiring the return of all the redeyes.