Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Frontier
Why Wouldn’t F9 and NK Merge? >

Why Wouldn’t F9 and NK Merge?

Notices

Why Wouldn’t F9 and NK Merge?

Old 03-29-2021, 06:33 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: May 2019
Position: CA
Posts: 191
Default Why Wouldn’t F9 and NK Merge?

“Home of the Bear Fare”

I think the argument for a merger between Frontier & Spirit seems pretty obvious (e.g. massive ULCC, fleet type commonality, similar contracts, route overlap, etc.). There seems to be a consensus that the trajectory of the industry may lead to more consolidation. All that said, why wouldn’t a merger between Frontier + Spirit happen? I know this is all speculative, but it highlights the differences and potential trajectories of the companies.
UnprotectdPilot is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 07:12 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,384
Default

It'll probably happen someday but....

Mergers are hard and messy

And when you merge a ton of management jobs get eliminated and management doesn't like getting their jobs eliminated
Aero1900 is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 07:56 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,317
Default

Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot View Post
“Home of the Bear Fare”

I think the argument for a merger between Frontier & Spirit seems pretty obvious (e.g. massive ULCC, fleet type commonality, similar contracts, route overlap, etc.). There seems to be a consensus that the trajectory of the industry may lead to more consolidation. All that said, why wouldn’t a merger between Frontier + Spirit happen? I know this is all speculative, but it highlights the differences and potential trajectories of the companies.
As with anything, all mergers are about $. If it makes Indigo money (keep in mind that mergers also COST money in the short term), then it will be introduced. If not, then it won't. Simple.
dracir1 is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 09:06 AM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 550
Default

Why join 'em, when you can beat' em
PulledBreaker is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 10:05 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
MtnPeakCruiser's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: A319/A320/A321 CA
Posts: 363
Default

Originally Posted by PulledBreaker View Post
Why join 'em, when you can beat' em
Plenty food on the table for all ULCCs, I think that’s why we’re not merging... yet.
MtnPeakCruiser is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 10:23 AM
  #6  
Line Holder
 
EVVovernight's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 39
Default

B. Franke said in a speech, quoting Bezos: most people set out to build a small profitable company, but end up with a big unprofitable one... Or something to that effect. I don’t think the powers that be want to be big, they’d rather stay profitable.
EVVovernight is offline  
Old 03-29-2021, 11:50 AM
  #7  
Slave
 
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Hot tub
Posts: 1,341
Default

Originally Posted by dracir1 View Post
As with anything, all mergers are about $. If it makes Indigo money (keep in mind that mergers also COST money in the short term), then it will be introduced. If not, then it won't. Simple.
it has been stated that if indigo can’t see a positive return on investment within 12 months forget about it.......
ReserveCA is offline  
Old 03-30-2021, 02:38 PM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 150
Default

If two of ALPA carriers merge, how is seniority list integration typically handled? Is it by date of hire, relative seniority? Considerations for seat position? I don’t know what the precedent or guidance is, especially with mergers of a single fleet type.
6ix9ineYearFlow is offline  
Old 03-30-2021, 03:36 PM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Default

Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow View Post
If two of ALPA carriers merge, how is seniority list integration typically handled? Is it by date of hire, relative seniority? Considerations for seat position? I don’t know what the precedent or guidance is, especially with mergers of a single fleet type.

The way it would work in this scenario is that all NK pilots would be attached to the F9 seniority list in seniority order below the the most junior F9 pilot.
V1 McFlyerson is offline  
Old 03-31-2021, 08:30 AM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,375
Default

Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson View Post
The way it would work in this scenario is that all NK pilots would be attached to the F9 seniority list in seniority order below the the most junior F9 pilot.
Is that before or after Allegiant buys Frontier?
Macjet is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices