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Old 08-15-2021, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix 23684 View Post
Take the United Job. Can’t compare the two. I’m a F9 captain who had a class date at United. In the end I decided to stay here since I’m already in the left seat (~30% seniority) family, mid 40’s and home based. I still think the legacies are far better in term of potential growth, benefits, job security. I wanted to take the job and we shall see when I turn 65 if I made the right decision. I do love my job here and the people whom I fly with. Good luck with what you decide.
where are the legacies growing ?
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Old 08-16-2021, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by P8ASW View Post
From a longevity standpoint, do any of you think Frontier may be a bigger risk than United over the next 20 years?

I figure if both made it through the first round of COVID, either should be safe. Curious your thoughts?
Comparing the two airlines’ longevity based on the last year and a half isn’t fair. The only reason the industry as a whole isn’t wildly different is the PSP. Without it you would’ve seen real pain and it would’ve been a more fair comparison of each airlines’ strengths and weaknesses. My biased opinion is that without PSP Frontier would be in an even stronger position relative to United. As far as either airline surviving though I don’t think either is in doubt. United isn’t going anywhere. And the only way the Frontier brand disappears is with a merger/buyout and, while painful, that just means the pilots wear different uniforms, not file for unemployment.
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Old 08-16-2021, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg View Post
Comparing the two airlines’ longevity based on the last year and a half isn’t fair. The only reason the industry as a whole isn’t wildly different is the PSP. Without it you would’ve seen real pain and it would’ve been a more fair comparison of each airlines’ strengths and weaknesses. My biased opinion is that without PSP Frontier would be in an even stronger position relative to United. As far as either airline surviving though I don’t think either is in doubt. United isn’t going anywhere. And the only way the Frontier brand disappears is with a merger/buyout and, while painful, that just means the pilots wear different uniforms, not file for unemployment.

without PSP we would all be under major pay concessions by now imo.
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Old 08-16-2021, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker View Post
without PSP we would all be under major pay concessions by now imo.
Absolutely. I don't think many people really ever thought through how bad things could have gotten if Congress didn't hand out billions of dollars to the airlines. They covered up an incredible amount of pain.

Since every airline received substantial support it's much more difficult to figure out which business model is really the strongest. I suspect that Frontier has a far more resilient business than United but with billions in free money we all survived just fine
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Old 08-17-2021, 06:16 AM
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F9 has a TON of red-eyes. I would argue that we have the highest percentage of any carrier. Frontier is changing its model to run mainly one or two day trips. There are very little four day trips out there. This is absolutely wonderful if you live in domicile but not so great if you commute. While there is not a minimum daily guarantee at Frontier, there is a 5-hour per day trip rig. As a result anything longer than a 1-day pairing usually pays 5 hours on average. Because Frontier management desires around 150 crews per domicile, every new domicile will be a quick upgrade while ones that have been around longer will take much longer to upgrade into. I would think that we would be very similar to Allegiant that way with the exception that Frontier puts it's domiciles in large cities versus small ones. As a commuter, I would love to be able to bid my schedule down to zero hours on some months like at Spirit Airlines. A 70 hour a year minimum credit (6 months per year) here at Frontier seems rather high to me for a major airline. It's great flying shiny new a320 neos (all of which are leased) and to work for a company that has such aggressive expansion plans. Good luck!!
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Old 08-17-2021, 04:45 PM
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A 70 hour a year minimum credit (6 months per year) here at Frontier seems rather high to me for a major airline.
I think as an ULCC, having crews fly 82 hours a month allows for the fewest crews at the lowest cost... lowest training and currency costs as well. Training people and having them sit around isn't cost efficient.
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